Originally posted by Gideon
Palpatine did not presumably wield his lightsaber for at least thirteen years prior to Revenge of the Sith; his victory over Masters Tiin and Kolar had more to do with his superior command of the Force than outright technical prowess, though both were sufficient to fend off both Masters Fisto and Windu simultaneously before killing former and driving the latter back.
Sidious didn't use any force powers until the very end, well after everybody except for Windu had died. Watch the fight and you'll see that he used his lightsaber to stab/slash at them. Of course, he used the force to argument his abilities, but then again it's hard to judge how strong a jedi would be without his/her force argumentation because the more or less always use the force, so there aren't really any examples to reference.
Originally posted by truejediI'll admit that age does play a factor, but then again the users can simply use the force to augment their physical abilities to compensate for their age.
And i just looked up his age, Sidious would only be 82 I guess. So i rest the argument, I was thinking of him as in his 90' s or older. Dooku was the evidence I needed, was that really so hard?
Anyways that wasn't so hard, i thought you would already know that force users can do that. Anyways it was a good debate.
Now time to reply to xxxpoppunker182.
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182Yeah, an old man younger than dooku. Hm your right. I'm wrong.
when you take in mind the eu and stuff you are right BUT GL himself states how the lightsaber fight in ep4 is slow passed because it's an old man fighting a heavy machine. So according to G canon your points are wrong.
Funny how old men like dooku and sidious still could fight relatively well in lucas own g-canon movies.
Yep, I'm wrong because i argue old men in star wars can use the force to augment their abilities because lucas says the fight in episode 4 was slow due to old men and half assed cyborgs fighting yet he shows ole men like dooku being very fast 🙄
Originally posted by truejediI'm the idiot? I'm talking about old men like dooku, vader and yoda in star wars you nugga queer when they can simply use the force to enhance their physical abilities.
also this is pertaining to your real life scenario, if you don't understand that you get weaker when you age (obviously i don't mean ages 1-25ish) then you are an idiot because If you at the age of 30 could arm wrestle or sword fight yourself at 70 your 30 year old counterpart would win.
When i talked about the shao lin and wu dang kung fu practitioners, i was talking about SKILL, NOT physical status.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
I'll admit that age does play a factor, but then again the users can simply use the force to augment their physical abilities to compensate for their age.Anyways that wasn't so hard, i thought you would already know that force users can do that. Anyways it was a good debate.
Now time to reply to xxxpoppunker182.
Yeah, an old man younger than dooku. Hm your right. I'm wrong.
Funny how old men like dooku and sidious still could fight relatively well in lucas own g-canon movies.
Yep, I'm wrong because i argue old men in star wars can use the force to augment their abilities because lucas says the fight in episode 4 was slow due to old men and half assed cyborgs fighting yet he shows ole men like dooku being very fast 🙄
I'm the idiot? I'm talking about old men like dooku, vader and yoda in star wars you nugga queer when they can simply use the force to enhance their physical abilities.When i talked about the shao lin and wu dang kung fu practitioners, i was talking about SKILL, NOT physical status.
um... That second quote wasn't actually mine.
Originally posted by truejedi
3. Sidious. Think: Galen Marek getting owned by one sustained lightning blast by sidious.
Beg your pardon, but Galen didn't get "owned." He took the full-force lightning blast head-on and not only did he stay standing, he advanced on Sidious until he was close enough to grapple with him. Sidious was then zapping himself with his own lightning.
Originally posted by General Obvious
And yet in your post you stated that he beat Tinn/Kolar mainly because of the force.
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Originally posted by Gideon the Great
Palpatine did not presumably wield his lightsaber for at least thirteen years prior to Revenge of the Sith; his victory over Masters Tiin and Kolar had more to do with his superior command of the Force than outright technical prowess, though both were sufficient to fend off both Masters Fisto and Windu simultaneously before killing former and driving the latter back.
...Which is completely accurate. Palpatine rushed headlong at Tiin and Kolar and defeated them before they were able to defend themselves. Given the fact that they had their lightsabers brandished and assumed fighting stance long before Palpatine beat the Sith out of them, one would have to conclude either Windu pulled three guys off the street, gave them robes and lightsabers and put their asses to work (which is contradicted by multiple sources) or that Sidious was moving far too fast for them to keep up with, which has nothing to due with his lightsaber technique but his command of the Force.
QED.
Now, I have made an executive decision. You are to never directly address me again. Ever. There shall be a committee of debaters consisting of Red Nemesis, Eminence, and Lord Lucien. Should these three observe your progress and deem you worthy of my attention, I shall consider gracing you with my presence.
Until such a time, do me a favor and argue with someone else.
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Please.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Beg your pardon, but Galen didn't get "owned."
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Having to become one with the Force in order to defend yourself from the world's most diabolical geriatric (whom you had just made prostrate on the ground before you) and then dying in the attempt relative to the geriatric himself who wasn't one with the Force and who, five seconds before, was lying on the ground in such a manner that conjured the images of a Life Alert commercial, and who literally shrugged off a blast that caused noticeable damage on the Death Star (which is the size of a small moon) from (presumably) kilometers away?
Yes, that constitutes being owned.
He took the full-force lightning blast head-on and not only did he stay standing, he advanced on Sidious until he was close enough to grapple with him.
Which is pretty impressive.
But he also opened himself up to the Force, borrowing energies to the point that it resulted in his death.
Sidious was then zapping himself with his own lightning.
In the novelization. Not the comic or the cutscene.
Originally posted by Gideon
😐...Which is completely accurate. Palpatine rushed headlong at Tiin and Kolar and defeated them before they were able to defend themselves. Given the fact that they had their lightsabers brandished and assumed fighting stance long before Palpatine beat the Sith out of them, one would have to conclude either Windu pulled three guys off the street, gave them robes and lightsabers and put their asses to work (which is contradicted by multiple sources) or that Sidious was moving far too fast for them to keep up with, which has nothing to due with his lightsaber technique but his command of the Force.
I guess that makes sense, although you could've explained your reasoning.
And before you seemed to be perfectly fine with me, until I made that statement that one of the following (which including One Sith Empire/GA) MIGHT be able to take the Empire. Then you got so angry that your favorite faction got humiliated and vowed revenge. For the next few days, you replied/made derogatory comments to every one of my posts.
Now you'll probably:
1. Not respond to this at all.
2. Respond to it by saying "that's BS" and denying that it's true without actually explaining/posting a detailed rebuttal.
3. Quoting it and making a face like 😱 without actually responding to it logically.
4. Say that it's perfectly reasonable to hate someone for saying that the Empire COULD be defeated.
Originally posted by Gideon
Having to become one with the Force in order to defend yourself from the world's most diabolical geriatric (whom you had just made prostrate on the ground before you) and then dying in the attempt relative to the geriatric himself who wasn't one with the Force and who, five seconds before, was lying on the ground in such a manner that conjured the images of a Life Alert commercial, and who literally shrugged off a blast that caused noticeable damage on the Death Star (which is the size of a small moon) from (presumably) kilometers away?Yes, that constitutes being owned.
Yeah, but I'm not talking about that. The post I was replying to claimed he was "owned by one sustained lightning blast" and he wasn't.
Originally posted by Gideon
Which is pretty impressive.But he also opened himself up to the Force, borrowing energies to the point that it resulted in his death.
True, but I'm only referring to how he handled the lightning attack.
Originally posted by Gideon
In the novelization. Not the comic or the cutscene.
I consider the novelization to be the most canon source.
If you want to talk cutscenes/comic, there he not only blocks the lightning with his bare hands, but actually pushes it back!
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Beg your pardon, but Galen didn't get "owned." He took the full-force lightning blast head-on and not only did he stay standing, he advanced on Sidious until he was close enough to grapple with him. Sidious was then zapping himself with his own lightning.
Thats all true and good, but Marek died from one Lightning attack, its true. I can post the passage from the novel if you like. If you want to say it wasn't owned, I won't disagree with you, but IMO, the fact that Marek died, and sidious walked it off means Marek was owned.
Originally posted by GideonAnd he was doing so good for a while too. I'm just gonna say that whatever relaxing agent he was taking, he lost the prescription for.
Now, I have made an executive decision. You are to never directly address me again. Ever. There shall be a committee of debaters consisting of Red Nemesis, Eminence, and Lord Lucien. Should these three observe your progress and deem you worthy of my attention, I shall consider gracing you with my presence.