isn't reality warping the same thing as matter/energy manipulation

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
This is the best description there is.

I might use this as a quote if you don't mind.

Originally posted by Mindship
How is this different from magic?

for instance, mxy is a reality manipulator of the highest order, who apparently implores 5-d tech to do.... what he does. yet his powers are described as 'magic' by lower dimensional beings.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In theory a matter/energy manipulator cannot break the laws of physics. In practice comic writers know nothing about physics.

The important difference (IMO) is that a reality manipulator can change physics and interact with metaphysical forces. Someone that control matter/energy can't alter the laws of gravity or tear you mind/soul out or make a perpetual motion device.

Originally posted by darthgoober
IDK SC, I've seen guys with matter/energy manipulators that lack reality manipulation pull off that kind of stuff before, I think it just depends on the writer. Surfer's actually got feats that go right along with those you listed in fact(he's nullified gravity, he could have torn out a woman's soul[but didn't], he's created a perpetual flame[not quite perpetual motion but close]).

The power cosmic is the ultimate in grab-bag powers. It doesn't have much in the way of "limits".

interact with metaphysical forces

what does that mean

Originally posted by gobstakid777
interact with metaphysical forces

what does that mean

Google it.

Originally posted by Galan007
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one of them can just make a soda can. the other can make a soda can, and put a galaxy inside of it.

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well technically all of these powers are sort of "grab baggy", but to piggy back on the theme of RW's just making reality go haywire and MM's having fine motor control over fundmental particles(intuitive or learned)....a prime example of this that might bring some new perspective was when Thanos had the Reality gem, he just willed captain marvel back to life out of thin air just to ask him a few questions, and just as easily willed him away again.......while a MM would have to go to his grave and try to do some fullmetal alchemist type of shit

a molecular manipulater cannot give life to an inanimate object like a tree or something, or turn someone into a glass of water while he is still able to talk, a reality warper can change the laws of science
a powerful reality warper can make 1+1=3

Reality manipulation involves probability manipulation as well. Matter manipulation doesn't.

Reality Manipulation manipulates the laws of the universe, matter manipulation works within those laws.

Reality warping is like time manipulation, space manipulation, matter manipulation, energy manipulation, probability manipulation, and more all rolled into one.

Matter/energy manipulation works on the physical level, reality warping on the metaphysical level.

the basic difference is that with reality manipulation you can create something out of nothing while with matter/energy manipulation you can only work with what your universe provides you

I would argue that most fictional depictions of magic obey a certain set of rules, magical rules for sure, but a reality warper would work even outside the rules of magic as he works outside the laws of physics.

Also a reality warper would be able to erase himself from the universe as if he never existed, while a matter manipulator and a magician could erase every consequence of their actions but the actions would still have taken place. A reality warper can undo his own actions and they wouldn't have ever happened even to himself.