In marvel continuity:
pre-retcon: still the beyonder, for obvious reasons. No editor is dumb enough to allow another character that powerful again. (for the unfamiliar, beyonder holding back was a quintillion times stronger than the rest of the marvel universe[s] combined.)
for instance, it would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 TOAA's just to STALEMATE him.
post retcon: the infinity being. Merged marvel continuity and the Ultraverse together (much like the marvel/dc amalgam bit) by itself. Since that's two separate unrelated realities, that should put it above TOAA.
Originally posted by Space M ummy👇
In marvel continuity:pre-retcon: still the beyonder, for obvious reasons. No editor is dumb enough to allow another character that powerful again. (for the unfamiliar, beyonder holding back was a quintillion times stronger than the rest of the marvel universe[s] combined.)
for instance, it would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 TOAA's just to STALEMATE him.
post retcon: the infinity being. Merged marvel continuity and the Ultraverse together (much like the marvel/dc amalgam bit) by itself. Since that's two separate unrelated realities, that should put it above TOAA.
Originally posted by Space M ummy😱
In marvel continuity:pre-retcon: still the beyonder, for obvious reasons. No editor is dumb enough to allow another character that powerful again. (for the unfamiliar, beyonder holding back was a quintillion times stronger than the rest of the marvel universe[s] combined.)
for instance, it would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 TOAA's just to STALEMATE him.
post retcon: the infinity being. Merged marvel continuity and the Ultraverse together (much like the marvel/dc amalgam bit) by itself. Since that's two separate unrelated realities, that should put it above TOAA.
I don't know if anybody realizes this but this part right here:
Originally posted by Space M ummy
In marvel continuity:pre-retcon: still the beyonder, for obvious reasons. No editor is dumb enough to allow another character that powerful again. (for the unfamiliar, beyonder holding back was a quintillion times stronger than the rest of the marvel universe[s] combined.)
for instance, it would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 TOAA's just to STALEMATE him.
..was actually backed to an extent by somebody around here, who used a line from an interview with Jim Shooter where he said "when Beyonder discovered us" as an argument that Toaa was included with the whole MU when compared to the Beyonder.
He probably realized that kind of stupidity would make the Universe implode and hasn't mention something like that since.
Originally posted by Space M ummyheh.
In marvel continuity:pre-retcon: still the beyonder, for obvious reasons. No editor is dumb enough to allow another character that powerful again. (for the unfamiliar, beyonder holding back was a quintillion times stronger than the rest of the marvel universe[s] combined.)
for instance, it would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 TOAA's just to STALEMATE him.
post retcon: the infinity being. Merged marvel continuity and the Ultraverse together (much like the marvel/dc amalgam bit) by itself. Since that's two separate unrelated realities, that should put it above TOAA.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
In marvel continuity:pre-retcon: still the beyonder, for obvious reasons. No editor is dumb enough to allow another character that powerful again. (for the unfamiliar, beyonder holding back was a quintillion times stronger than the rest of the marvel universe[s] combined.)
for instance, it would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 TOAA's just to STALEMATE him.
post retcon: the infinity being. Merged marvel continuity and the Ultraverse together (much like the marvel/dc amalgam bit) by itself. Since that's two separate unrelated realities, that should put it above TOAA.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I don't know if anybody realizes this but this part right here:..was actually backed to an extent by somebody around here, who used a line from an interview with Jim Shooter where he said "when Beyonder discovered us" as an argument that Toaa was included with the whole MU when compared to the Beyonder.
He probably realized that kind of stupidity would make the Universe implode and hasn't mention something like that since.
This is kind of what I was getting at. Though TOAA wasn't mentioned during secret wars, one would assume he/she/it would be considered "part of" the marvel universe at the time. This means it's power is included when it's stated the beyonder outclasses ALL of marvel by a billion orders of magnitude.
Since beyonder was mentioned to be a quintillion times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse (over and over and over...) This is the only logical conclusion you can draw. Would you say the power of the Presence isn't included when talking about the DC universe? Of course not, that would be stupid.
It's also why the beyonder HAD to be retconned, since anything that powerful completely makes a joke out of every prior and subsequent supreme being, or galactic crisis, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I think pre-retcon Beyonder was one of the worst ideas in the history of comics. I'm not a fan.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
This is kind of what I was getting at. Though TOAA wasn't mentioned during secret wars, one would assume he/she/it would be considered "part of" the marvel universe at the time. This means it's power is included when it's stated the beyonder outclasses ALL of marvel by a billion orders of magnitude.Since beyonder was mentioned to be a quintillion times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse (over and over and over...) This is the only logical conclusion you can draw. Would you say the power of the Presence isn't included when talking about the DC universe? Of course not, that would be stupid.
It's also why the beyonder HAD to be retconned, since anything that powerful completely makes a joke out of every prior and subsequent supreme being, or galactic crisis, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I think pre-retcon Beyonder was one of the worst ideas in the history of comics. I'm not a fan.
Honestly, I already gave you the thumbs down early and I don't want to have to do that again. I think the Beyonder was a very powerful character and in the top tiers of Marvel all time heirarchy. However, some of the stuff your saying about him are exaggerations to an extreme and really takes away from the argument.
Figurative analogies that people take literally = Fail.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Honestly, I already gave you the thumbs down early and I don't want to have to do that again. I think the Beyonder was a very powerful character and in the top tiers of Marvel all time heirarchy. However, some of the stuff your saying about him are exaggerations to an extreme and really takes away from the argument.Figurative analogies that people take literally = Fail.
how is it an exaggeration? The degree of beyonder's power relative to the rest of the MU was stated on panel, in several different ways, more than once.
from the first page of the respect thread, in case you have trouble with the caption: "And all the awesome power contained within...millions of times more than all the rest of the power in the multiverse combined, reunites with his essence."
that's not the beyonder stating that. That's not another character making an assumption. That's the caption, from the editor. Clearly not hyperbole. it's pretty damn specific.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
This is kind of what I was getting at. Though TOAA wasn't mentioned during secret wars, one would assume he/she/it would be considered "part of" the marvel universe at the time. This means it's power is included when it's stated the beyonder outclasses ALL of marvel by a billion orders of magnitude.Since beyonder was mentioned to be a quintillion times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse (over and over and over...) This is the only logical conclusion you can draw. Would you say the power of the Presence isn't included when talking about the DC universe? Of course not, that would be stupid.
It's also why the beyonder HAD to be retconned, since anything that powerful completely makes a joke out of every prior and subsequent supreme being, or galactic crisis, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I think pre-retcon Beyonder was one of the worst ideas in the history of comics. I'm not a fan.
Dude, the TOAA is the writer...who do you think created the Beyonder in the first place...a writer(TOAA). The writer(TOAA) could write a story where Jubilee ****s up Classic Beyonder. Nothing can be above the writer(TOAA)
