Kain Vs. Dar'Khan

And wat do you mean the Soul reaver is an uber haxxed weapon?

It steals souls, probably with as little as a scratch and can cut through boulders, that seems like a pretty powerful weapon to me. Plus I've seen you wax lyrically about how good it is. The only thing I don't know is whether it would be able to kill kill Kain (does he even have a soul?).

And Dar'Khan's tk just seems more powerful then Kains. He's shown throwing 3-4 elves around with visible ease (the weight of 3 people > an armoured knight), without even looking at them or slowing down. Kain always gestures to use tk, whereas his opponent doesn't even have to look at his target, so Dar'Khan will be able to use it faster and with more powerful effects. Add to that his shieldspell which is powerful enough not just to block a knife, but to liquidate it, and his exceedingly fast reflexes and I can see him taking whatever Kain throws at him, physical-wise.

Kains soul is arguably untouchable based on the fact its only locked to his body through his heart, yet his heart is torn out so its debatable whether or not anything can harm Kains soul if technically it should not be anchored or attached to his body, although I doubt in actual canon the Soul reaver taking Kains soul, in this debate he could probably.

But thats still not the same as pulling the sword from Kains grip and actally using it against him, Kain could just grab it back with TK if he felt so inclined but he does not need his sword to kill Khan.

One spell is all Kain needs, you can choose from incapaciate which is the time bolt to freeze khan, blood shower if he does indeed blood in his body or a soul attack.

I thought I'd show roughly how strong Jorad is. Jorad is the one that threw the dagger. I take it I don't have to elaborate how strong you have to be in order to break out of being frozen solid.

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Can you explain that to me please, it looks to me like a sorceror of some kind has a hand in it?

Also tbh I dont know how strong you would have to be, i guess first it depends on the thickness of the ice. staying alive within a block of ice without dieing of the cold is a fairly good feat however.

The one talking to Jorad is Krasus. The only thing Krasus does, which is done in a seperate panel, is that he remind Jorad that physical restrictions aren't as restricting for the likes of him that one would think it to be.

The ice is durable enough to keep a dragon frozen solid. Jorad was strong enough to shatter the same ice from the inside when he himself was frozen. What makes shattering ice from the inside so impressive is the fact that you have no momentum at all. You don't have room to tensify your muscles, you certainly don't have room to create force through speed. Ice and cold num muscles to a point where your body weaken and you end up no longer being at your peak.

Most importantly, as already mentioned, when you are frozen solid, there's no room for momentum. No momentum equal minimum to no force at all.

Originally posted by Rapidash
The one talking to Jorad is Krasus. The only thing Krasus does, which is done in a seperate panel, is that he remind Jorad that physical restrictions aren't as restricting for the likes of him that one would think it to be.

The ice is durable enough to keep a dragon frozen solid. Jorad was strong enough to shatter the same ice from the inside when he himself was frozen. What makes shattering ice from the inside so impressive is the fact that you have no momentum at all. You don't have room to tensify your muscles, you certainly don't have room to create force through speed. Ice and cold num muscles to a point where your body weaken and you end up no longer being at your peak.

Most importantly, as already mentioned, when you are frozen solid, there's no room for momentum. No momentum equal minimum to no force at all.

Although breaking out of ice with your whole body obviously is not the same strength requirements with throwing a knife, nor is it likely that the fact he broke out of ice contribute to how hard or how skilled he is at putting weight behind a balanced knife to strike a target. Even wizards such as Gandalf in lord of the rings can stop 3+ objects at high speed quite quickly and Gandalf is hardly one of the greater wizards in fiction.

Although still, that does not mean it helps him against Kain who could teleport-->strike--->teleport before Khan can bring upon him any worthwhile attack, it cannot be assumed he can bock every one especially when he does not know when kain will strike again.

You are basing your second paragraph on Kain being faster than Dar'Khan both physically and mentally. Let's not forget that Dar'Khan can teleport as well and is by no means a fool. And all Dar'Khan has to do, really, is react to the strike and make Kain's impale a glancing blow and he's all good.
Or teleport himself when Kain vanish.

Ive not seen how fast Khans teleport is from start to finish so I dont know how quickly he can appear, re-appear and actually fight from that angle. All Kain has to do is get some distance between them so he can cast the time reaver to slow time around them and teleport next to Khan, then obviously he is doomed.

I recently recalled this thread and I thought it worth a bump. In my opinion, this is the most even thread Kain has been in.

This guy is stronger than a lot of his opponents and actually has some variety in his attacks. What was your argument that declares this as even? what do you think Khan brings to the table?

I find his level of power and his knowledge in magic equal to Kain. The extent of both characters powers is fuzzy, but looking at the big picture, this is one of those battles that could go either way.

The battle hands on only a few aspects, the most important being speed and reaction times. Recent tests have found that Kain can percieve, react, strike and move in around 0.2 seconds. Khans reaction feat of stopping the knife is fairly ambigous however since I cannot see where the knife is coming from, the distance etc.

Dar'Khan for a small hard fought win.

Infact the latest strength estimate of Kain, hell even the lowest one would mean Tk will never hold him physically, his durability based on PSI means he would have to have thousands of tonnes of blunt force to come close to damaging his body and if Dar'Khan gets past that Kain can still pull him apart physically. Kain does not need to use magic in this fight.

Infact the latest strength estimate of Kain, hell even the lowest one would mean Tk will never hold him physically, his durability based on PSI means he would have to have thousands of tonnes of blunt force to come close to damaging his body and if Dar'Khan gets past that Kain can still pull him apart physically. Kain does not need to use magic in this fight.

Desperately trolling me in every thread is not going to stop your butt from being so sore you know? it wont actually make your lowly arguments correct either.

Pot, kettle, black.

So, I just finished the Sunwell trilogy, and I believe Dar'Khan is more powerful.

An interesting thing to see would be what would happen if Dar'Khan slipped one of his rings on Kain.