Hercules/Sentry vs Thor/Ares

Originally posted by bbrem123
weakest ultron ever? why because sentry could beat her?

collective was a beast too...how can you just disregard these showings

just because they dont have many feats doesnt mean they are not powerful

all off sentrys good showing get turned around to be bad showings some how...just cuz people dont like the character

Evrything you put is correct. If people don't like a character they disregard the good feats, but someone like Thor who is loved, has terrible feats, they will argue it and call it bad writing.

Personally I belive Odin Force Thor> Sentry but the feats and showings don't put it that way.

Originally posted by bbrem123
weakest ultron ever? why because sentry could beat her?

collective was a beast too...how can you just disregard these showings

just because they dont have many feats doesnt mean they are not powerful

all off sentrys good showing get turned around to be bad showings some how...just cuz people dont like the character

Collective beat nobody that was within Thor's power range at all.

I dont hate Sentry, he just gets overhyped.And every time he has a bad showing the excuse of "he wasnt going all out" is used.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Like peole have stated Sentry had help against She-Ultron, and this version of Ultron did nothing to put him over any other Utron's.

Collective beat nobody that was within Thor's power range at all.

I dont hate Sentry, he just gets overhyped.And every time he has a bad showing the excuse of "he wasnt going all out" is used.

The he wasn't going all out is always said on panel though. ALWAYS!! Thats why it's a viable excuse.

Tell me why Odin Force Thor could only detroy a city block with his full pwer?

sentry and void are the same person...so sentry technically should be able to destroy thor...cuz all thor could do when the void was coming was sit there and wait to die

Originally posted by Peterlane

1. Sentry> Current Destroyer unless you prove Current Destroyer is at it's old levels
2. Based on feats Bor's full power could only destroy a city block. Sentry>Bor based on feats
3. That doesn't change the fact he got pwned then had to blind side Rulk to even gain leverage, cowardly
4. Iron-Man didn't put on a fight
5. After she pounded the shit out of him.

1.The Destroyer displayed the same abilities as it did as the classic version like the disgeneration beam

2.You have got to be kidding,right.Bor was killed by Thor using the Odin force and destroying his hammer in the process.Senty has been knocked around and put down by far lesser people than a Odin force Thor.

3.It's not a blind side seeing as Rulk took Thor's hammer full on in the first fight, he just didnt underestimate him second time round.

4.Because he didnt get chance, he just got destroyed because Thor wasnt holding back anymore.

5. Duh, he was weak.An still after pounding him as you say, he still won unlike Sentry got burned out and collapsed in a bloody heap after fightinh Hulk.

Ultron still managed to solo the Avengers. It was weak compared to others but stronger than the Conquest one.

How was it stronger than the conquest Ultron? He took over the entire Phalanx instantly and imprison all of Kree space and was only defeated by Warlock and Phyla chanelling millions of souls to power her quantum bands

Collective had the remaining energies from M-Day, not weak at all. It soloed Alpha flight with ease.

Exactly, Alpha Flight

WWH soloing earth puts him above Rulk. When Rulk almost destroyes the east coast let me know

He beat only meta humans, anybody of a decent lvl he struggled with.

Hulk was in "Worldbreaker" when he started to destroy the east coast, Sentry didnt fight Hulk in WB mode, he fought him before.And him destroying the coast wasnt just down to strength his energy release as well, you can see the energy coming through the ground where it starts to break up.

The amount of thing s you destroy using full power is a feat. You say Sentry in a badly written story was barely stronger than civil war Nitro, I say Odin Force Thor and Bor in a badly written fight barely destroy a city block. If I am in the wrong so are you.

The fact that Sentry has more good feats to ratio than Odin Force Thor puts him above him right? I don't belive it personally but thats what people do on KMC.

Originally posted by bbrem123
all off sentrys good showing get turned around to be bad showings some how...just cuz people dont like the character

I just think it's funny how all of Sentry's "good" feats that everyone brings up are from YEARS ago, yet people just can't seem to get over how shitty Sentry is portrayed nowadays.

Face it, Sentry has dropped in status considerably.

Originally posted by Peterlane
The he wasn't going all out is always said on panel though. ALWAYS!! Thats why it's a viable excuse.

Tell me why Odin Force Thor could only detroy a city block with his full pwer?

Yet with one hammer blow he split the entier region Dahran in Africa

Originally posted by Nihilist
1.The Destroyer displayed the same abilities as it did as the classic version like the disgeneration beam

2.You have got to be kidding,right.Bor was killed by Thor using the Odin force and destroying his hammer in the process.Senty has been knocked around and put down by far lesser people than a Odin force Thor.

3.It's not a blind side seeing as Rulk took Thor's hammer full on in the first fight, he just didnt underestimate him second time round.

4.Because he didnt get chance, he just got destroyed because Thor wasnt holding back anymore.

5. Duh, he was weak.An still after pounding him as you say, he still won unlike Sentry got burned out and collapsed in a bloody heap after fightinh Hulk.

1. Just because they displayed the same abilities doesn't mean they are on the same level. Odin Force Thor has the same abilities as Classic Thor but he is way stronger

2. Bor was killed by a block busting attack, a bunch of dynamite can block bust.

3. Thor blind sided Rulk when he was pre-occupied with Hulk, Rulk didn't know Thor was comming back.

4. Sentry was holding back agains't Iron Man.

5. WWH>>Fat female Super Skrull based on feats

How was it stronger than the conquest Ultron? He took over the entire Phalanx instantly and imprison all of Kree space and was only defeated by Warlock and Phyla chanelling millions of souls to power her quantum bands[

Im not using destruction feats as a indictator, you are.Im just giving examples of how using them using stupid.

And he has A LOT more worse feats, and thing go on a average of how the are constantly portrayed

I said by ratio Sentry has more good feats than Thor. Ratio is different, if Sentry has 64 good feats to 100 bad feats its still better than Odin Force Thors 1 good feat to 10 bad ones

Originally posted by batdude123
I just think it's funny how all of Sentry's "good" feats that everyone brings up are from YEARS ago, yet people just can't seem to get over how shitty Sentry is portrayed nowadays.

Face it, Sentry has dropped in status considerably.

Same with Thor. All his good feats are from years ago, it doesn't stop people from using them. He gets beat the crap out of by Rulk, the same RUlk that can't harm A-Bomb, he uses his full power and only destroys a city block....

Originally posted by Nihilist
So it's stated he wasnt going all out against Ulton when he had help, or Blue Marvel,Collective.

Yet with one hammer blow he split the entier region Dahran in Africa

One high feat to all his low feats. If we can nitpick Thors high feats and disregard his regular getting beat up by Rulk and passing out while using his power on a planetary scale or using his full power and only destroying a city block level then the same can be done to Sentry.

Originally posted by batdude123
I just think it's funny how all of Sentry's "good" feats that everyone brings up are from YEARS ago, yet people just can't seem to get over how shitty Sentry is portrayed nowadays.

Face it, Sentry has dropped in status considerably.

when have they said he was depowered? It doesnt make a difference when it happenen

Originally posted by bbrem123
when have they said he was depowered? It doesnt make a difference when it happenen

No, I'm not saying he was depowered. I'm saying the way he's portrayed now versus years ago is significantly lower.

I like how you said he snuck Black Marvel from orbit, and that ko'd him. You forget to mention how BM effortlessly knocked him into orbit, ko'ing him in the process. And he divebombed him, while he was whooping everyone else on the Avenger's like they were his step kids. And even after that, Sentry fell over in pain from the hit.

Originally posted by Peterlane
[B]1. Just because they displayed the same abilities doesn't mean they are on the same level. Odin Force Thor has the same abilities as Classic Thor but he is way stronger

The Destroyer is just an armour that's all, it has the same abilities no matter who is in it.It's never a diiferent version of armour

2. Bor was killed by a block busting attack, a bunch of dynamite can block bust.

He was killed by a hammer blow from Thor channeling the Odin force which destroyed the hammer,the hammer is rarely broken from such attacks irrc it has only been broken from Thor using stuff like the godblast with the hammer being re-enforced

3. Thor blind sided Rulk when he was pre-occupied with Hulk, Rulk didn't know Thor was comming back.

4. Sentry was holding back agains't Iron Man.

5. WWH>>Fat female Super Skrull based on feats

The Skrull beat Beta ray bill, who is arguably on the lvl of guys Hulk struggled against, and the Skrull could only be stopped by Thor dropping asgard on her.

Ultron used his intellect and the fact that phalanx respected him, to take over the Kree. He didn't solo them or anything

He resisted them trying to take over him and over powered them with just his essance willpower

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Exactly, Alpha Flight[/quote]

Alpha flight with Snow-Bird who is arguably as strong as classic Thor

Not at all.

Like who? He knocked the shit out of Herc who held manhatten island together, raped Zom Dr Strange, resisted telepathy from Xavier.

You mean Herc who didn't want to fight Hulk and was trying to tell him the whole time that they wanted to help him.

Zom Strange has nothing to back him up as a power house and Hulk only was able to beat Zom/Strange after he stopped wrecking th Hulk to s worry about the "little people"

And has xavier ever mind raped Thor.

Worldbreaker got taken out by a space laser. Space Laser>WWH= Sentry>Odin Force block busting Thor

My god are you this bad.

I said by ratio Sentry has more good feats than Thor. Ratio is different, if Sentry has 64 good feats to 100 bad feats its still better than Odin Force Thors 1 good feat to 10 bad ones

Sentry does not have more good feats than classic Thor, what "bad feats does Odin force Thor have ? let me guess only destroying a few block against Bor...pathetic.

He split a entire region in half with one hit, some the power of 1 million exploding suns cant do.

Originally posted by batdude123
No, I'm not saying he was depowered. I'm saying the way he's portrayed now versus years ago is significantly lower.

i agree...but it doesnt take away the fact that he still did these things...yes he has low showings lately...but they still show how every other hero is terrified by him even with his low showings

his power set gets bigger and bigger with each showing too...which obviously proves he hasnt shown his full potential yet

Originally posted by Peterlane
One high feat to all his low feats. If we can nitpick Thors high feats and disregard his regular getting beat up by Rulk and passing out while using his power on a planetary scale or using his full power and only destroying a city block level then the same can be done to Sentry.

What low feats of Thor, because classic Thor's high feats far outweigh his low ones.As do Odin force Thor's.

And you keep banging on about destroying shit like " only a city block" splitting a region on half far out strips that.

When has Sentry's Million suns effected anything greater than a few city block(which he passed/burned out doing) let alone planetary scale.

Originally posted by Peterlane
Evrything you put is correct. If people don't like a character they disregard the good feats, but someone like Thor who is loved, has terrible feats, they will argue it and call it bad writing.

Personally I belive Odin Force Thor> Sentry but the feats and showings don't put it that way.

Yes, yes we all know peter. Thor has such low feats.

I mean how can they compare with the mighty sentry. 😮

I give up, you can't argue with people so biased and filled with hate for one character that when a character they love is in the same position totally disregard it.

Thor will absorb sentry powers within seconds, Classic Thor or any Thor will rape Sentry, any day of the week.

To say Sentry can beat the Destroyer you are complete ignorant, the Destroyer who ever is control it and know who to us it's powers can kill Skyfathers level beings, it was design to fight Celestails.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor will absorb sentry powers within seconds, Classic Thor or any Thor will rape Sentry, any day of the week.

To say Sentry can beat the Destroyer you are complete ignorant, the Destroyer who ever is control it and know who to us it's powers can kill Skyfathers level beings, it was design to fight Celestails.

Where did I say Sentry could beat the Destroyer armor quotes or stfu