Re: Shinnok vs. Onaga
Originally posted by Luminatus
First, Onaga's Deception ending is non-canon an what he does there is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Second, Cage hurt a vastly weakened Shinnok. Shinnok at full power would destroy Cage and all of Earth's heroes no sweat. I'm also positive he could defeat Onaga.
For a God, he's pretty naive.
Aside from that, Onaga took hold of the real Amulet in the Deception intro (which is canon). He can simply create a new mummified army, use the Amulet to control them, and if need be, use them to take down Shinnok.
Or he can just annihilate Shinnok with the Amulet itself like Quan did in the above vid. So many ways the Dragon King can win this.
It shows canon ability though.
BS. It didn't happen, it doesn't count. If Shujinko with some powers can shatter the Kamidogu and kick hia ss, any of he Elder Gods should be able to as well.
Even in MK4, he was tricked by Quan Chi and given a weaker duplicate of the real Amulet.
So?
He can simply create a new mummified army, use the Amulet to control them, and if need be, use them to take down Shinnok.
Shinnok plunged a planet into centuries of darkness and his inferior, Raiden, nearly destroyed a race of people in that war. Shinnok can easily dispose of Onaga's army.
Or he can just annihilate Shinnok with the Amulet itself like Quan did in the above vid. So many ways the Dragon King can win this.
Non-canon. Even with the amulet Quan Chi couldn't defeat Scorpion, let alone Shinnok.
All the amulet does for Onaga is allow him to merge the Kamidogu and gain supreme power. For Shinnok, it restores his power as an Elder God.
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Originally posted by Luminatus
BS. It didn't happen, it doesn't count. If Shujinko with some powers can shatter the Kamidogu and kick hia ss, any of he Elder Gods should be able to as well.
If Onaga succeeded in merging the Kamidogu (and in turn, merging the realms within himself as shown in his Deception ending), the Elder Gods (including Shinnok) would've been no match for him. There's really no denying that, like it or not.
At least it's much more plausible than your crazy theory about the Elder Gods shattering the Kamidogu.. which they themselves created. They don't have the same thought process/motivations as Shujinko.
Originally posted by Luminatus
So?
Originally posted by Luminatus
Shinnok plunged a planet into centuries of darkness and his inferior, Raiden, nearly destroyed a race of people in that war.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Shinnok can easily dispose of Onaga's army.
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Even with the amulet Quan Chi couldn't defeat Scorpion
Originally posted by Luminatus
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If Shinnok, the so-called destroyer of all realms would destroy Cage and all of Earth's heroes no sweat, he wouldn't of had his full power/Amulet stolen so easily by elder Sub-zero in MK Mythologies, nor would he have been defeated by Liu Kang in MK4.
I guess this battle can go either way.
If Onaga succeeded in merging the Kamidogu (and in turn, merging the realms within himself as shown in his Deception ending), the Elder Gods (including Shinnok) would've been no match for him. There's really no denying that, like it or not.
I know this but he didn't so it doesn't matter.
What you just mentioned there didn't happen either.
Yes i did. You just quoted Onaga's bio which confirms Shujinko's eding, what I said, was canon.
So, he's pretty naive. By saving Onaga (Armageddon bio), Shinnok dug his own grave as well.
Um all Onaga does in his ending is rule Outworld again.
Raiden, Shinnok's inferior? I guess that's why he got pwned by him and sent to the Netherrealm earlier on..
Your defintion of "pwned" is ridiculous.
For one, just by virtue of being an Elder God, Shinnok is above a regular god (Raiden)
Second, Raiden had to fight Shinnok for centuries and even then he only won with the intervention of the other Elder Gods.
So Raiden never even won on his own, let alone pwned Shinnok.
There's also the fact Shinnok had to fight Raiden without the other Elder Gods' noticing. Shinnok probably wasn't using all his power.
I'll admit that's only conjecture but it's logical speculation.
Maybe you forgot, but one of the Dragon King's natural abilities is that he can revive the dead to do his bidding (this includes his mummified army), so any effort Shinnok makes in destroying the army would be in vein, as they would keep getting revived again and again.
Revive, not reform. Nothing says if Shinnok reduced them all to dust that Onaga could regenerate them. Even if he did, what are they gonna do to an Elder God?
Only because Quan Chi's powers weaken while in the Netherrealm, whereas Scorpion's strength grows.
Fine. With the Amulet he still was losing to Raiden...in Outworld. The place where Raiden has no dominion and is probably weaker.
If Shinnok, the so-called destroyer of all realms would destroy Cage and all of Earth's heroes no sweat, he wouldn't of had his full power/Amulet stolen so easily by elder Sub-zero in MK Mythologies, nor would he have been defeated by Liu Kang in MK4.
It was a fake Amulet in MK Mythologies too. Quan Chi's ending is at least right in the part about Shinnok having a fake amulet (as seen in Shinnok's bio card as you know)
Quan Chi says:
"Years ago, I delivered to you an exact duplicate.[...] I even fooled Raiden..."
He clearly doesn't mean the second time he gave Shinnok his amulet as he says "years ago..." Shinnok didn't wait years to escape the Nettherealm in MK4. He even mentions fooling Raiden which references how Raiden thought he had gotten the real amulet at the end of MK Mythologies.
Liu Kang's sdefeated every opponent he's taken on in Mortal Kombat. This includes Shao Kahn who may have been Onaga's inferior at one point but that was like thousands of years ago. With Onaga dead, Shao Kahn's only risen in power presumably. Kahn's feats of merging planets and mass soul sucking also are above anything we've seen or heard of Onaga (without an outside powerup) doing.
So a vastly weakened Shinnok losing to Liu isn't bad at all.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Um all Onaga does in his ending is rule Outworld again.
"My enemies had failed to prevent me from fusing all the weapons of the Elder Gods into one. I used this ultimate weapon to warp reality, merging the realms into a singular existence. Not satisfied with merely ruling the one realm, I took all that exists and merged it into myself. There can be only one consciousness. I am everything. I have become… the One Being."
Originally posted by Luminatus
Yes i did. You just quoted Onaga's bio which confirms Shujinko's eding, what I said, was canon.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Your defintion of "pwned" is ridiculous.
For one, just by virtue of being an Elder God, Shinnok is above a regular god (Raiden)
Second, Raiden had to fight Shinnok for centuries and even then he only won with the intervention of the other Elder Gods.
So Raiden never even won on his own, let alone pwned Shinnok.There's also the fact Shinnok had to fight Raiden without the other Elder Gods' noticing. Shinnok probably wasn't using all his power.
I'll admit that's only conjecture but it's logical speculation.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Liu Kang's sdefeated every opponent he's taken on in Mortal Kombat. This includes Shao Kahn who may have been Onaga's inferior at one point but that was like thousands of years ago.
Onaga (disguised as Damashi) gave Shujinko the ability to absorb the combat essence of every fighter he encounters, so presumably, that's a gift he has as well. Therefore, he doesn't even need to consume souls to become stronger and more skilled like Khan and Tsung do.
As for things being merged with Outworld, the only things I recall that were possibly merged were Edenia and Zaterra (Reptile's home), if you can call those planets, which I never heard them being referred to as such. Where did you hear that they were actual planets?
If you mean Deception,
I didn't. I meant Armageddon where you said Shinnok is igging his own grave by helping Onaga. But if Onaga wins, all he does is rule Outworld.
I was referring to what you said about the Elder Gods shattering the Kamidogu. That did not happen.
No but logically if Shujinko can do it, so could they. Then they could vape Onaga like the flea he is to their power.
Khan was never stronger than Onaga. He had to poison the Dragon King in order to take over Outworld in the first place because he knew he couldn't win in a straight fight..
Um, if you hadn't cut off my post, you might have seen i already knew this and addressed it.
Onaga (disguised as Damashi) gave Shujinko the ability to absorb the combat essence of every fighter he encounters, so presumably, that's a gift he has as well. Therefore, he doesn't even need to consume souls to become stronger and more skilled like Khan and Tsung do.
I like Shujinko but his power is shit compared to stealing the souls of most of the planet in one go.
As for things being merged with Outworld, the only things I recall that were possibly merged were Edenia and Zaterra (Reptile's home), if you can call those planets, which I never heard them being referred to as such. Where did you hear that they were actual planets?
He was merging Earth with Outowrld albeit "slowly" and obviously Earth is a planet. Only the MK heroes stopped him but he would have taken the entire planet had it not been for them.
Originally posted by Luminatus
I didn't. I meant Armageddon where you said Shinnok is igging his own grave by helping Onaga. But if Onaga wins, all he does is rule Outworld.
"I will pose as Shinnok's pawn and join Quan Chi's alliance. Shao Kahn will never reach Blaze. But I would be a fool to allow Daegon victory. Once I have slain the fire elemental and have taken the prize for myself, I will have Shinnok's head. Onaga serves NO ONE!"
Originally posted by Luminatus
No but logically if Shujinko can do it, so could they. Then they could vape Onaga like the flea he is to their power.
This was why Raiden resigned from his status as Elder God and became God of Thunder again, because he doesn't just let shit happen like they do.
Originally posted by Luminatus
I like Shujinko but his power is shit compared to stealing the souls of most of the planet in one go.
"I will pose as Shinnok's pawn and join Quan Chi's alliance. Shao Kahn will never reach Blaze. But I would be a fool to allow Daegon victory. Once I have slain the fire elemental and have taken the prize for myself, I will have Shinnok's head. Onaga serves NO ONE!"
I don't care what his bio says he will do, I care what his ending says he does do. And all he does is rule Outworld and punish Kahn.
Besides, Shinnok rules the Netherrealm and can create armies of illusions at will. Onaga will never get at him.
Like I said, the Elder Gods would never destroy the Kamidogu which they themselves created, as they don't have the same thought process/motivations as Shujinko. Onaga's Deception ending shows that the Elder Gods stand idly by and let everything happen, until something threatens their own existence (in this case, Onaga merging the Kamidogu, which they acted too late against in Onaga's MKD ending, bringing about their own end).This was why Raiden resigned from his status as Elder God and became God of Thunder again, because he doesn't just let shit happen like they do.
But I didn't say it's what they would do, I said it's what they could do. All I was saying is they could destroy Onaga no problem if they actually tried.
Based on what? Khan was defeated by Liu Lame. Lame (as a spirit) was one of the fighters who trained Shujinko in Deception's Konquest. With Lame's fighting styles and moves at his disposal, along with that of many other warriors, he can easily beat Khan as well.
That's not necessary to complete Konquest so who's to say it's canon? Unless we take Armageddon where he knows Liu's Kick...well I guess it probably is.
Anyway, that's Shujinko. Onaga hasn't copied the fighting powers and essences of dozens of warriors. All he has is his own power he had when he was killed thousands of years ago while Kahn has only risen in power.
This is all besides the point however. Shinnok with his Amulet is stronger than Onaga.
Originally posted by Luminatus
I don't care what his bio says he will do, I care what his ending says he does do. And all he does is rule Outworld and punish Kahn.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Besides, Shinnok rules the Netherrealm and can create armies of illusions at will. Onaga will never get at him.
And likewise, Onaga has servants/holy men (akin to Khan's Shadow Priests) that were capable of enslaving even Blaze.
Originally posted by Luminatus
That's not necessary to complete Konquest so who's to say it's canon? Unless we take Armageddon where he knows Liu's Kick...well I guess it probably is.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Anyway, that's Shujinko. Onaga hasn't copied the fighting powers and essences of dozens of warriors.
Originally posted by Luminatus
This is all besides the point however. Shinnok with his Amulet is stronger than Onaga.
Could go either way I guess. This would most certainly be an interesting battle IMO.