Luke at His Strongest?

Is the cloaking thing a Mind Trick? If so, it wouldn't work on battle droids in the first place...

Originally posted by REXXXX
Is the cloaking thing a Mind Trick? If so, it wouldn't work on battle droids in the first place...

I don't think its a mind trick. In Black Fleet Trilogy: Its the Fallansi Technique that successfully hid Fallanasi village from Yevetha "sensors" (Wiki)

It was also used to create a phantom fleet of ships that also fooled the ships sensors.

Ah, yes. Let's discuss the great Luke Skywalker and how he has been so terribly neutered by LFL.

Spoiler:
He duels Lady Rhea and Vestara (the Sith's answer to Ben) to a standstill before Rhea gets distracted by an opening door and Luke dismembers her. The narration specifically notes that he is trying to kill her and the only way he defeats her is when she is distracted. He also suffers multiple injuries.

Most powerful my ass.

Originally posted by Gideon
Ah, yes. Let's discuss the great Luke Skywalker and how he has been so terribly neutered by LFL.

Spoiler:
He duels Lady Rhea and Vestara (the Sith's answer to Ben) to a standstill before Rhea gets distracted by an opening door and Luke dismembers her. The narration specifically notes that he is trying to kill her and the only way he defeats her is when she is distracted. He also suffers multiple injuries.

Most powerful my ass.

lol, i'll get the book tomorrow. I couldn't resist that spoiler alert there though!

Spoiler:
they are so desperately trying to make it seem as though ben and luke are in life-threatening situations, they are making it seems as though,

A. Luke is pathetically weak, and we better backtrack and call LOTF Luke's peak.

or
B. everyone Luke ever meets now is as powerful (or moreso than Caedus.)

Actually, wouldn't the results of this fight imply that Vestara==Caedus?

The truth to the matter is that outside of the Bane novels, authors don't go out of their way to aggrandize their characters of choice. Which is both a positive and a negative. Really, all throughout Legacy of the Force, Lumiya and Vader were used as measuring sticks for power. To be Lumiya-level in LotF is to be enormously badass.

Luke, simply put, has become lame. And it's obnoxious. No one says he has to own everyone with a gesture. But as a duelist, he really should be pretty much peerless.

To be Lumiya-level in LotF is to be enormously badass.

Which is, naturally, enormously pathetic.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Which is, naturally, enormously pathetic.

Extremely.

On the one hand, Jaina, Jag, and Zekk all muse in Exile or Tempest that "Lumiya fought [Luke] to a standstill," thereby concluding that she's "clearly Master level."

Yet the same series also depicts Lumiya being critically wounded against Jedi Master Tresina Lobi...

Spoiler:
Even when Lumiya has the assistance of Alema Rar in combat.

Make. Up. Your. Damn. Minds. LFL.

I think i'm going to take a vacation....To Skywalker ranch. I'm going to bring my video camera and film it as I'm kicking the force out of George Lucas for being a ****.

he really should be peerless. Maybe not everyone, but I would enjoy the books more if he were to be honest. Maybe he should continue in his "if i fight i'll go to the darkside" approach, as lame as that was.

EDIT: Also, i guess we have to compare this to the 501st losing to the ewoks... (just by reading threads around here that you won out on PIS in the end Gideon, and who am i to fight the institution, especially when its so darn convenient this time?)

*they weren't actually losing*

Originally posted by truejedi
he really should be peerless. Maybe not everyone, but I would enjoy the books more if he were to be honest. Maybe he should continue in his "if i fight i'll go to the darkside" approach, as lame as that was.

EDIT: Also, i guess we have to compare this to the 501st losing to the ewoks... (just by reading threads around here that you won out on PIS in the end Gideon, and who am i to fight the institution, especially when its so darn convenient this time?)

I agree. I'm done reading this series. If they have to continue their LOTF bullshit about unrealistically trying to weaken luke, then there's no point to continue. These authors are incompetent beyond belief and the fact that Lucas doesn't put a stop to it really shows us how far the original idea has fallen.

Originally posted by truejedi
he really should be peerless. Maybe not everyone, but I would enjoy the books more if he were to be honest. Maybe he should continue in his "if i fight i'll go to the darkside" approach, as lame as that was.

EDIT: Also, i guess we have to compare this to the 501st losing to the ewoks... (just by reading threads around here that you won out on PIS in the end Gideon, and who am i to fight the institution, especially when its so darn convenient this time?)

Pardon?

Originally posted by Gideon
Pardon?

we had a discussion about being allowed to include PIS in debates. (such as an evaluation of the Empire.)

At the time, i was against it.

That was way back in the day though.

To be Lumiya-level in LotF is to be enormously badass.

You mean Lumiya who was losing to no-name jedi Nelani in Betrayal? 😬

to quote Les Mis:

" the law is inside out" The world is upside down"

Yeah, strange how the most powerful force user in history, AND a master of multiple styles, gets his ass kicked around, AND nameless people beat the person he lsot to. If that is the fact of the matter, then force users were incredibly weak across history.

Luke could probably pwn lots and lots of battle droids, but ALL of the battle droids???? There are a quadrillion +!!!! Even if he killed hundreds a second and the battle droids just stood there, it would take multiple lifetimes to kill them all.

And @Gideon, Luke at that point was so weak that he could barely speak, and yet he (with some help from Ben) beat 12 sith. In my opinion, that's actually a feat to be added to his feat list rather then a bad showing.

Personally if Luke isn't going to be chellenged in a fight, then the writer shouldn't write him fighting.

We've gone past the point of speculating on Luke's power (the Vong Wars should have ended any and all speculation on his power level). Now the focus should be on writing a good story to wrap up his legacy.

If he comes to blows with anyone or anything it should be in a challenging situation, nothing less (if the authors have to wax poetic about the relative difficulty of his challenge to maintain fictional consistency so be it).