i dont know if the autobots could take them both on. clover tanked every conventional weapon thrown at it including carpet bombs (the very thing that destroyed a couple decepticons), RPG and tank shots (someting else that destroyed deceticons) and jet fighter missile strikes all without getting a scratch...
Either monster could probably solo the movie autobots. Bu why do people seem so insistant on using Zilla? Not that I'm one of those big-time haters, just that it's been getting almost reundant. But if movie Zilla couldn't solo, the cartoon one could.
Also for the record, the bombing at the end did kill Clover, as was confirmed. Not to say that the Autobots are capable of dishing out anything as bad immediately.
Originally posted by Robtard
Napalm strike did absolutely nothing to the CFM, so I think it has considerable heat resistance.Also, not sure Prime's blade is that long to severe in one strike, if the blade were effective to begin with.
A little wiki searching shows that...
Napalm burns at 1200 Deg C.
Now some speculation on my part, but I think it is well reasonable - Can we assume Cybertronian 'metals' are more resistant than say earthly Titanium?
Well, something like Titanium melts at 1600 Deg C. So assuming Cybertronians are more durable than Ti, it would probably mean Prime's energy axe was heated to temperatures much higher than 1600 Deg C (very little time for the blade to heat up the metal, so must be much hotter) for it to cleaning slice through a Decepticon quickly.
(I know 'durability' is does not necessarily correlate to melting points, but lets not be picky xD)
The other part about the napalm analogy is that there is no physical cutting force... The blade itself is sharp as well (think Wolverine), so its not solely depending on high heat.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Either monster could probably solo the movie autobots. Bu why do people seem so insistant on using Zilla? Not that I'm one of those big-time haters, just that it's been getting almost reundant. But if movie Zilla couldn't solo, the cartoon one could.Also for the record, the bombing at the end did kill Clover, as was confirmed. Not to say that the Autobots are capable of dishing out anything as bad immediately.
the MOAB killed him. the carpet bomb didnt.
Can we assume Cybertronian 'metals' are more resistant than say earthly Titanium?
not really considering they can be one-shotted by weaponry that can barely total a tank.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
the MOAB killed him. the carpet bomb didnt.
Not the same thing? I'll admit I'm not explosive-savvy, but whatever bomb that destroyed Manhattan at the end was confirmed by Abrams to have killed Clover.
Either way my point is that he's dead. Some seemed to think otherwise based on replies I've read in this thread.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
not really considering they can be one-shotted by weaponry that can barely total a tank.
Yea I found that pretty silly though. It was heavily implied that the Humans would stand NO chance against the Decepticons without the aid of the Autobots.
Also, in the first film, it was shown that only high heat munitions could damage the Cybertronians.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Not the same thing? I'll admit I'm not explosive-savvy, but whatever bomb that destroyed Manhattan at the end was confirmed by Abrams to have killed Clover.Either way my point is that he's dead. Some seemed to think otherwise based on replies I've read in this thread.
the MOAB is the most powerful non-nuclear weapon in the entire US arsenal pretty much... if the MOAB had failed to kill Clover the US would have had no choice really but to use nukes which is a testimont to Clover's durability.
carpet bombing is the use of numerous but small bombs... usually around 1 thousand to 2 thousand pounds max. the moab is almost 30 thousand pounds... it is much much stronger.
Yea I found that pretty silly though. It was heavily implied that the Humans would stand NO chance against the Decepticons without the aid of the Autobots.
yeah i know thats what they aiming for but bay ****ed up because what the movies actually showed us is that anti-armor rounds are more then enough to put any bot down. 😛
Also, in the first film, it was shown that only high heat munitions could damage the Cybertronians.
first off that was only in reference to ammunition. second the full quote was high heat sabot rounds. a "high heat sabot round" is nothing more then a very dense anti-armor bullet made out of either tungsten or DU. its special in that the size of the round combined with the speed at which its traveling generates heat of about 3500 degrees fahrenheit upon impact which melts through the steel. its just a fancy way of saying armor piercing rounds.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
first off that was only in reference to ammunition. second the full quote was high heat sabot rounds. a "high heat sabot round" is nothing more then a very dense anti-armor bullet made out of either tungsten or DU. its special in that the size of the round combined with the speed at which its traveling generates heat of about 3500 degrees fahrenheit upon impact which melts through the steel. its just a fancy way of saying armor piercing rounds.
I have a slight problem with your description. Because, it would mean all tank Sabots are high heat by definition anyway, so why would he specify "high heat"?
But onto another point, 3500F is still hotter than napalm! Plus theres also tremendous kinetic energy behind the penetrator.
Originally posted by Placidity
I have a slight problem with your description. Because, it would mean all tank Sabots are high heat by definition anyway, so why would he specify "high heat"?
because the person in charge of writing used a figure of speech or wanted to sound smart? 😛 HEAT stands for high explosive anti-tank rounds... so its just a redundant figure of speech. heres some more info btw.
http://xbradtc.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/heat-rounds-and-sabots/
intrestingly enough... HEAT rounds arent very special and can be found in regular old rifles... @.@
But onto another point, 3500F is still hotter than napalm! Plus theres also tremendous kinetic energy behind the penetrator. [/B]
this is true but ultimately it doesnt mean a whole lot because clover tanked the napalm effortlessly...
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
because the person in charge of writing used a figure of speech or wanted to sound smart? 😛 HEAT stands for high explosive anti-tank rounds... so its just a redundant figure of speech. heres some more info btw.http://xbradtc.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/heat-rounds-and-sabots/
intrestingly enough... HEAT rounds arent very special and can be found in regular old rifles... @.@
I think you're getting mixed up.
HEAT and Sabots are different rounds.
HEAT = Shaped Charge
Sabot = Kinetic Energy (Speed) Penetrator
So when Bay says "Heat" I pretty sure he is referring to "High temperature".
Originally posted by Placidity
^ Answering myself: Maybe Bay just wanted to sound all technical and shit.But that would mean Cybertronian's durability is actually nothing special at all (besides regeneration), and I can't have that 😗
Correct, armour piercing depleted uranium rounds damage them severely. While they do jack and shit to the CFM, as I'm pretty sure there were Abrams tanks in the city firing on it.
Originally posted by Placidity
I think you're getting mixed up.HEAT and Sabots are different rounds.
HEAT = Shaped Charge
Sabot = Kinetic Energy (Speed) Penetrator
So when Bay says "Heat" I pretty sure he is referring to "High temperature".
The depleted uranium spike round is a "high heat" round. It gets incredibly hot as it cuts through tank armour (or whatever) via friction.
I've watched a military channel special on the Abrams tanks.
Originally posted by Robtard
The depleted uranium spike round is a "high heat" round. It gets incredibly hot as it cuts through tank armour (or whatever) via friction.I've watched a military channel special on the Abrams tanks.
😆
Yeah, I love watchin' that channel too. I was in the Army, but I still don't know everything behind the physical mechanics on how and why those weapons work.
Originally posted by Robtard
The depleted uranium spike round is a "high heat" round. It gets incredibly hot as it cuts through tank armour (or whatever) via friction.I've watched a military channel special on the Abrams tanks.
Uh Huh, I was saying:
Bay meant high temperature (heat), not the High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT).
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
how do you know that?im pretty sure he said high heat sabot rounds no?
He probably doesn't know what he meant. But from what we do know, those depleted uranium rounds fit the bill best.
1) They're sabot rounds, ie they're fired through a larger bore via a disposal larger casing.
2) They are "high heat".
3) They're non-explosive as is. Those sabots that hurt the Transformers didn't really explode.
I rest my case your honor.