Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin VS Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion

What would be a valid point? Me telling you to say more than wrong? Okay, then do it from now on. Anyway, to validate something is to authenticate it. To authenticate something is to prove its certainty. Saying "wong" means nothing and is worth nothing toward your point. You didn't prove or confirm anything.

This is still completely wrong. LOOK at what you wrote:

Nemesis, you should explain something further than just saying "Wrong." It doesn't help to validate your statement.

You then say that my assertion ("wrong"😉 does nothing to 'help to validate [my] statement.' Do you see why this is silly? My assertion was that you were incorrect in your statement. I conveniently highlighted the portion in the my quote of your sentence so that you would be able to tell what, specifically, I thought was wrong. That was all I posted. Nowhere did I post anything that would qualify as an attempt to validate anything (until the next post). So saying that it is ineffective at supporting a statement is absolute nonsense.

This is why you looked silly and did not have a valid point. There was nothing to aim the point at.

So Revan didn't defeat anyone in lightsaber combat? Who are you in the game then? Malak especially since you fight him ALONE. It's stated numerous times he defeated Madalore the Ultimate. It may have been unarmed combat but he probably used a lightsaber. Either way, notable feat. Revan defeating the leader of well...basically the Spartans of the Star Wars universe is giving a lot of steam to his combat prowess.

[The point is that we do not have any details about the final battle and there are a great many possible scenarios that mesh with Droma's vision that do not reflect positively on Revan's lightsaber ability. So we cannot use his defeat of Malak as an indicator of lightsaber skill. (And even if we could, what does defeating Malak really mean? He hasn't been proven to be particularly strong, either.)]

Anyway, about the gameplay... There is some level of canon to all games and when they are made into books or comic books, this proves to be true. All of Starkiller's and Kyle's powers are maintained from their games to their respective book adaptations. This would obviously be true for Revan as well.

What is canon in KotOR is not enough to decide upon his combat prowess.

ASSUMING ALL of the Sith have their abilities (save Nihilus' brain drain) that they had in their games and defeated ALL of their opponents respectively, and even that ALL of the stories about them were true. Who would win now?

Ahhhh, read my previous post please.

I realize everyone wants to be right and has a reputation to uphold but please, please stop arguing this. EVERYTHING any of you say I accept as me being wrong. Now you can leave happy. You win! lol

Now like I said, anyone want to debate this fight go ahead.

Originally posted by Craju Kenobi
I realize everyone wants to be right and has a reputation to uphold but please, please stop arguing this. EVERYTHING any of you say I accept as me being wrong. Now you can leave happy. You win! lol

use your imaginations.

But that just degenerates to "MY IMAGINATION IS BETTER THAN YOURS" and I don't think that would be any superior to an off-topic funfest. Not even a little.

Also: Don't call him buddy, guy!

Oh trust me, none of this is for friends, lol. I really could care less. I'm on this board for my own purposes. I just want the pointless arguing to end. If it can't, I obviously need to find another board to do what I need to do.

Why can't he call me buddy? XD

Cause I'm not you're buddy, guy.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Cause I'm not you're buddy, guy.

Oh trust me, none of this is for friends, lol. I really could care less. I'm on this board for my own purposes. I just want the pointless arguing to end. If it can't, I obviously need to find another board to do what I need to do.

I guess I'll continue with... I'm not your buddy, dude! XD

I'm not saying we can't be friends, I'm just saying that I'm not overly trying to make any here. And nothing HAS to be done in a Star Wars forum. I just need something done that I need the fan's pov for. That's why I wanted the pointless argument to end and the debate for the fight (also possibly considered pointless, lol) to begin.

okay then. IMO (opinion only) Yoda speed rushes Nihilus, Sion, and Malak, then fights a short duel with revan before driving his lightsaber all the way through Revan's eyeball.

Meanwhile, Anakin and Obi-wan play blackjack. Obi-wan wins because Anakin keeps going bust.

Alright, just a few pointers. I'm not attacking you, I'm helping you.

Originally posted by Craju Kenobi
Sorry if this exact fight has been done before but I'm a noob to the forums and looking through ALL of the fights is just a little too much of a task right now.

You can use the 'search' button. It's somewhere at the the top, you can't miss it. You pick Advanced Search, then Advanced Option, mark Search titles only and Show results as threads, fill in the names of who you think about using and voila!

Originally posted by Craju Kenobi
I understand and that's fine. If you want to debate it you can and if not, you don't have to. For those who do though, just express your personal opinions. Use your imaginations.

What Lucien said, this entire versus forum is based on the idea that we do not let our imaginations run wild and express our personal idea's. Canon is first, logic is second and subjectivity is the last number.

Originally posted by Craju Kenobi
Oh trust me, none of this is for friends, lol. I really could care less. I'm on this board for my own purposes. I just want the pointless arguing to end. If it can't, I obviously need to find another board to do what I need to do.

That's exactly the reason why we don't use unknowns in Versus threads, because the arguing would be pointless and in circles. 'Debating' about this actual topic will make people have headaches. So don't start threads with unknowns in them. Maybe you're right though, if you want people to give their on take on how a fight would go without having to explain themselves, you should find another board.

Btw, we are not trying to make you look bad and prove you're wrong, we're trying to make clear how we debate around here.

I think that the dark side wins here. Although Malak isn't notably good for anything he could be the diversion. Darth sion would go after the hardest opponent (mace or yoda) since he can't die anyways. Then send Revan against the next most powerful because Revan has more notable feats than Malak. Nihilus against Obi because Nihilus is stronger in the force and has a more offensive fighting style. That leave malak to fight anakin. Dark Side wins!

P.S. I like how you continue to defend your position whether their are unknowns or not. That is the point of debat right? debating the unknowns and then coming up with the most logical conclusion. That happens alot in life. You have several unknowns but you have to take the info. that you DO have and make the most logical conclusion! That is what I did above! Hope this helps Craju Kenobi!!

You have several unknowns but you have to take the info.

If we go with this then:

Yoda takes N and stalemates- his broader knowledge of the Force allows him to keep up with the mammoth TK N has available

Mace takes Revan, using Vapaad to capitalize on Revan's (rumored) strength in the Force.

Kenobi meets Sion, providing him a brick wall against which to spend his fury. Sion will not be able to breech his defenses- he's no Grievous.

Anakin is > Malak. (Who has no feats to put him in an upper tier, let alone even with Skywalker.) This frees him up to go help Mace with Revan.

The two then proceed to tear Sion to shreds. (Amputations will quickly overwhelm his regen capability?) The four then proceed to N, which could go either way. It depends upon how one interprets the gigadrain.

But True, what's Mace doing? XD

I truly do appreciate what you said Jamefril and that's exactly what I'm trying to accomplish here. Unknowns or no, I'd still like to include them in the forum. I did think that was the point of a debate too. Thank you so much.

Nemesis that was excellent, thank you. A very well thought out and detailed explanation of exactly how the fight might go. I tend to agree one hundred percent. Great fight, even with unknowns.

I appreciate the criticism Slash and if I have to find another board I will. But the posts above tell me that based on the logic given, people CAN use their imaginations to tell them who wins what fight, even with unknowns presented.

But even without unknowns, isn't the entire point of a versus thread to use your imaginations and make opinionated statements? Given, they should be based on evidence but what it still comes down to is that the fights cannot be proven either way. None of the characters in the threads actually fight in canon (maybe a few?) so we don't know for sure who would win. I just think it's a pity to not use a character just because we don't think we know enough about him. Some of the deepest characters come from the games, Revan for example.

Hell, people were matching Starkiller up with Yoda and Sidious when they saw the first trailer, even before th game came out.
"He brings down a ******** star destroyer. Trumps anything Yoda ever did!"
Not to say that this is right or wrong - true or untrue, I'm just saying. It's fun to debate the unknowns because they're just that. Sometimes when you put everything on paper and figure it out to its fullest, it becomes a little less amazing (to me anyway). Maybe the mods on here should make a purely Unknown based versus forum, if you guys don't want it here so much. Just something to think about...

Originally posted by Craju Kenobi
It's fun to debate the unknowns because they're just that.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Many of us have been here for a few years now, and what fun there was in discussing the Unknowns has since died out. Despite the frequent off-topic posts, when we actually do debate, we use canon first and foremost. If you're looking for a forum that applies imagination and preference to a debate on an equal scale to official canon, this isn't the place.

why isn't this the place? Those of us who have just started still have the right to enjoy the fun of debating the unknowns. While you veterans lend your superior knowledge when and where you can! 🙂

Originally posted by Jamefril
why isn't this the place? Those of us who have just started still have the right to enjoy the fun of debating the unknowns. While you veterans lend your superior knowledge when and where you can! 🙂

Originally posted by mattatom
That fun will be shortlived.

Why? Because it was for you? Or are you too stuck on whats canon and whats not?!

Originally posted by Jamefril
Why? Because it was for you? Or are you too stuck on whats canon and whats not?!

The power hungry people on this forum seeking what? What can be achieved by pointing out people errors and mistakes? If we are to be mistaken do not tell us so! Honestly, what if I started talking about Archery and you knew nothing and I then pointed out your flaws? how would that make you feel?