Originally posted by Omega Vision
I hate the way Johns is so bad about power levels. How do you defeat the opposite of God? Answer: some White Lantern bullshit.
He's not the opposite of God .... He's an abstract entity taking physical form. He's one of the Incarnations of death, not the incarnation of Anti-God. I suppose you could argue that if the D.C. God is the source, which Morison describes as the Ultimate concept, then Nekron being a physical form of a concept -is a part of God, but he's hardly the Anti God.
If anything he's more similar to Sandman , Eternity or maybe even the Speed force, which is a concept that has manifested as an entire Dimension rather than a sentient being. the D.C. universe is very much rooted in a Platonic Idealism, where the physical is just shadowy, imperfect version of the conceptual.
When you bear in mind that the Emotional Spectrum is the conceptual made physical, its not hard to see why the Emotional energies will be an effective weapon.
If you don't understand what i mean, take this analogy.
Imagine that the D.C. physical universe is in fact the matrix, but in reverse.
Thoughts, emotions, and concepts (Call them "mental enititys"😉 are actually the real world (I know this sounds weird but bare with it), while the physical realm, i.e. Superman physical appearance and abilities are the virtual world.
Now the "real world" (in the Film matrix), is superior to the virtual world created by the machines, in that if the machines of the real world want to change the matrix, they can.... The virtual matrix world cannot affect the real world, and is therefore inferior.
The same goes for the D.C. universe. The Conceptual, Thought, Mental realm is superior to the D.C. physical world-therefore the anything that is conceptual or mental, i.e. emotions, and concepts such as Death has dominion over the D.C. physical universe.
As the "Mental entities" are superior they can take inferior physical forms, if they want to represent themselves in this way. This is why we have things like the Speed Force, and the emotional spectrum. The concept of speed has manifested itself as an entire Dimension, and the emotional thought processes have manifested themselves as form of plasma.
Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
He's not the opposite of God .... He's an abstract entity taking physical form. He's one of the Incarnations of death, not the incarnation of Anti-God. I suppose you could argue that if the D.C. God is the source, which Morison describes as the Ultimate concept, then Nekron being a physical form of a concept -is a part of God, but he's hardly the Anti God.If anything he's more similar to Sandman , Eternity or maybe even the Speed force, which is a concept that has manifested as an entire Dimension rather than a sentient being. the D.C. universe is very much rooted in a Platonic Idealism, where the physical is just shadowy, imperfect version of the conceptual.
When you bear in mind that the Emotional Spectrum is the conceptual made physical, its not hard to see why the Emotional energies will be an effective weapon.
If you don't understand what i mean, take this analogy.
Imagine that the D.C. physical universe is in fact the matrix, but in reverse.
Thoughts, emotions, and concepts (Call them "mental enititys"😉 are actually the real world (I know this sounds weird but bare with it), while the physical realm, i.e. Superman physical appearance and abilities are the virtual world.
Now the "real world" (in the Film matrix), is superior to the virtual world created by the machines, in that if the machines of the real world want to change the matrix, they can.... The virtual matrix world cannot affect the real world, and is therefore inferior.
The same goes for the D.C. universe. The Conceptual, Thought, Mental realm is superior to the D.C. physical world-therefore the anything that is conceptual or mental, i.e. emotions, and concepts such as Death has dominion over the D.C. physical universe.
As the "Mental entities" are superior they can take inferior physical forms, if they want to represent themselves in this way. This is why we have things like the Speed Force, and the emotional spectrum. The concept of speed has manifested itself as an entire Dimension, and the emotional thought processes have manifested themselves as form of plasma.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I always think of the Matrix as the poor-man's Allegory of the Cave.
I know all about how metaphysical concepts have power in the DCU, what I don't like is that DC overdoses on it. I mean after Final Crisis I don't need anymore thought=reality jazz and I think writers need to stop introducing a new ultimate evil in every crisis. How many goddamn ultimate evils are there?
The matrix is sort of a allegory of the cave, sort of ... Its closer to the Cartesian "Evil Demon" thought experiment, but what ever. Yeah I agree. The D.C. universes "Meta physics/Meta literature" is synonymous with the Platonic realm of the forms, I used the Matrix analogy cos not everyone is acquainted with the Platonic Cave thought experiment.
But I agree, D.C. is using the whole Idealism card too often.
I get the impression that Marvel went through a similar transition during the early 90's late 80's. Hence all the wired characters like Oblivion, Death, Eternity etc.
But I do agree, ... the whole Conceptual made physical IMO is boring. Using BAD meta physics to justify weird/super physics is a massive cop out. IMO its as lame as the pre enlightenment scientists explaining nature using religion.
I suppose ancient mythology use to do the same, and the D.C. universe is a kind of mythology... but for what was originally a sc-fi reality, its getting too mystical/transcendental.
How can the Flash run so fast? ... he's linked to meta physical abstarct entity that has made itself physical.
How do the Green Lanterns rings work? ... Emotions are abstract entity's that manifest in a form of sentient plasma
How does the Red Tornado create hurricane winds ? ... He is an avatar for the abstract conceptual form of air, manifested in the physical
How does Firestorm transmute elements ? ... He is an avatar for the conceptual abstract fire, represented as heat in the universe. Therefore anything heat can do in the physical, so can Firestorm ?
And the list goes on ... but i just think its a lazy over used explanation for the super natural, wrapped up in a pretentious, inaccurate pseudo philosophy.
IMo its as bad as when Marvel used to explain every Super power using Mutations ...
