Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I was talking about a shield he placed around Cain.Being a telepath doesn't mean you can beat Cain.
He's not blood lusted so that point doesn't matter really.
You mean trying to contain Cain?
What would be the point of that, if there is no battle field removal in play. Just a waste of power.
Being a telepath with offensive capabilities although does mean you can beat Cain.
Then let's both hope for Cain, that Kyle does stay calm and does not get blood lusted.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Like any GL ring it loses its battery power. Juggs will just wear him out and nothing short of BFR can Kyle win with.
Unfortunately though, Cain is a brick who cannot fly. How easy would it be for Kyle to simply float to a certain level in the sky, and call his battery to recharge?
Also apparently in this situation his ring is charged for the entire fight as the last post stated.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean trying to contain Cain?What would be the point of that, if there is no battle field removal in play. Just a waste of power.
Being a telepath with offensive capabilities although does mean you can beat Cain.
Then let's both hope for Cain, that Kyle does stay calm and does not get blood lusted.
To keep him from getting to him.
Yes you can but you have to be able to remove the helmet and bypass the optional forcefield.
Not really because it's a pointless statement, he is in character unless stated otherwise. Sending Cain through time or space won't do anything but BFR him, it won't kill him or hurt him and Cyttorak can send him wherever he wants him to go.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Unfortunately though, Cain is a brick who cannot fly. How easy would it be for Kyle to simply float to a certain level in the sky, and call his battery to recharge?Also apparently in this situation his ring is charged for the entire fight as the last post stated.
He can jump though, he has the leg muscles to do so.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
To keep him from getting to him.Yes you can but you have to be able to remove the helmet and bypass the optional forcefield.
Not really because it's a pointless statement, he is in character unless stated otherwise. Sending Cain through time or space won't do anything but BFR him, it won't kill him or hurt him and Cyttorak can send him wherever he wants him to go.
Simply floating a few feet of the ground, would accomplish that.
Hence the ability to phase, and teleport objects/people and so on.
Dropping him into the Big Bang or Entropy, or some other cataclysmic event would do it. He wouldn't do so unless pissed off though.
So we are allowing outside interference now? Cytorrak teleports him at his request about what, twice in his entire history, and it's being used as an option for Cain?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He can jump though, he has the leg muscles to do so.
I've actually never seen Cain use his leg muscle power. I mean never. Surprisingly. I don't believe it would count as in character.
Either way, seeing as how Cain does not have any superhuman senses to locate Kyle if he were to say fly to the atmosphere, it's rather moot. Don't forget Kyle can also phase, and teleport.
Cain being able to jump good doesn't change anything.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Simply floating a few feet of the ground, would accomplish that.Hence the ability to phase, and teleport objects/people and so on.
Dropping him into the Big Bang or Entropy, or some other cataclysmic event would do it. He wouldn't do so unless pissed off though.
So we are allowing outside interference now? Cytorrak teleports him at his request about what, twice in his entire history, and it's being used as an option for Cain?
Not if he jumps towards him.
No one has ever phased through his FF.
IDK, is the Big Bang greater than Marvel's Oblivion, or Cyttorak? (Genuine question)
Has he done it while seriously pissed off?
All I said was that it wouldn't do anything permanent to him, I didn't say Cyttorak would bring him back to continue the fight. I.E. BFR is on, Kyle sends him to the stone age. Fight over, but Cain isn't stuck in the stone age forever.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've actually never seen Cain use his leg muscle power. I mean never. Surprisingly. I don't believe it would count as in character.Either way, seeing as how Cain does not have any superhuman senses to locate Kyle if he were to say fly to the atmosphere, it's rather moot. Don't forget Kyle can also phase, and teleport.
Cain being able to jump good doesn't change anything.
How tall is The Stranger? He jumped up and knocked him down.
If Kyle is a few feet from the ground like you said then I think it's safe to say jumping on him would do some good.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Not if he jumps towards him.No one has ever phased through his FF.
IDK, is the Big Bang greater than Marvel's Oblivion, or Cyttorak? (Genuine question)
Has he done it while seriously pissed off?
All I said was that it wouldn't do anything permanent to him, I didn't say Cyttorak would bring him back to continue the fight. I.E. BFR is on, Kyle sends him to the stone age. Fight over, but Cain isn't stuck in the stone age forever.
Which would be pointless with someone who phases.
Has anyone ever tried to phase through it and failed?
Oblivion's realm? Haven't others survived inside of it before as well? Didn't Iceman survive in his realm? I'm honestly not sure.
Well, doesn't Cytorrak only supply him with a portion of his power as Classic Juggernaut? You don't have to be stronger or powerful than Cytorrak simply more powerful than the enchantment correct? Just wondering.
Seriously though, I don't think Cytorrak has any feats. At all, really.
Understood. I thought you meant, that if battle field removal was on, then one would call on Cytorrak and make it null.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How tall is The Stranger? He jumped up and knocked him down.If Kyle is a few feet from the ground like you said then I think it's safe to say jumping on him would do some good.
It's variable like it is with all of these entities. Are you talking about the "X-men Forever" incident?
Meh, it would and in all honesty I didn't consider Cain jumping up high to attempt to get him. I just never saw it as a tactic for him to use. Don't know why really. It would only make sense. I've just never seen him using it in attempt to get a flyer and so on. Still, either way, phasing, their ability to fly and overall versatility would make it pointless.
Either way in this fight his ring is always charged meaning it's an indefinite stalemate.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It doesn't help. Nuul's response is still the correct one.Kyle can't possible win w/o BFR.
And how would Juggernaut win exactly? Especially if he is charged throughout the entire fight?
He has the ability to fly, phase, and with an unlimited charge, his constructs could last for as long as he wanted them too.
It's far from correct to say that the Juggernaut stomps without battle field removal. At best, it's an indefinite stalemate for either, unless Green Lantern's, can use offensive telepathy and so on....
Kyle Rayner cannot hurt Cain, and vise versa with their abilities. Indefinite stalemate in this situation. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to check themselves.