Originally posted by Konton
I believe her strength feats trump his.
And her lasso has always been shown to snag the intangible.
i dunno. he's meant to be clark's equal (though you could argue that it's hyperbole). i don't think (personally), that any sort of gap exists between them when it comes to strength.
couldn't he just go invisible and intangible and mess with her altogether?
yeah, mm is the definite large problem. the lanterns would be screwed by her magic. in all honesty, i could see a tiara throw piercing their shields and killing both sinestro and stewart. 😬 if she's now fully immune to tp, that'd help, but still, mm is a problem, no doubt. it'd depend on how he fought her. if she were bloodlusted, hard to see him actually pummeling her into a ko. energy wouldn't work. he'd have to become solid at some point, and if he did, she could take him with the lasso. so . . . . yeah. 😐
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Originally posted by -Pr-
i dunno. he's meant to be clark's equal (though you could argue that it's hyperbole). i don't think (personally), that any sort of gap exists between them when it comes to strength.couldn't he just go invisible and intangible and mess with her altogether?
Hyperbole, perhaps. In any case, Diana still outclasses him in the skill department which would put a physical brawl in her favor.
For the invisibility... Eyes of Pallas make her immune to illusions, telepathy, etc. Being magical in nature, doesn't this grant the ability to see through invisibility? In the Wonder Woman Annual, Dr. Psycho and About 20 or 30 other baddies had been amped and Diana held her own against all of them for quite some time. Dr. Psycho had no affect and even the angle who has reality bending powers couldn't affect her. Her enchantment gives her the ability to see what there is to be seen, so to speak.
Her magic lasso has held the intangible Hectate too.
Originally posted by Konton
Hyperbole, perhaps. In any case, Diana still outclasses him in the skill department which would put a physical brawl in her favor.For the invisibility... Eyes of Pallas make her immune to illusions, telepathy, etc. Being magical in nature, doesn't this grant the ability to see through invisibility? In the Wonder Woman Annual, Dr. Psycho and About 20 or 30 other baddies had been amped and Diana held her own against all of them for quite some time. Dr. Psycho had no affect and even the angle who has reality bending powers couldn't affect her. Her enchantment gives her the ability to see what there is to be seen, so to speak.
Her magic lasso has held the intangible Hectate too.
j'onn's no slouch, so i dunno. sure she's more skilled, but by how much?
he's not projecting anything towards her, so i don't think so, though i could be wrong. and yeah, that was a sweet annual.
Originally posted by -Pr-
j'onn's no slouch, so i dunno. sure she's more skilled, but by how much?he's not projecting anything towards her, so i don't think so, though i could be wrong. and yeah, that was a sweet annual.
He isn't projecting anything, but she can still see through it.
It's magic... hahaha that's really all I have to say.
As an avatar for "the truth" I would assume invisibility would be a no go.
Originally posted by Konton
He isn't projecting anything, but she can still see through it.
It's magic... hahaha that's really all I have to say.
As an avatar for "the truth" I would assume invisibility would be a no go.
Wasn't it stated somewhere that she can "see through" invisibility? I'm at work so I really can't check. But you're probably right. "It's magic" is probably the answer lol.
As for the intangibility, once the lasso is around him he's done. He's not phasing or shape shifting out of it. The problem I see is getting it around him in the first place. I don't know if it can grip him if he's intangible from the start. I'd need to see a scan of it. If it can, it's because it's "magic." 😎
I think she's a much better fighter than J'onn. I put her skill above Clark's by a comfortable margin and I'd put Clark well over MM.
I don't think TP is his best bet either. He'd have to KO her, which he could do. He'll have to keep himself tangible though.
The strength argument is another kettle of fish. This is the one case where I think you have to use feats because so much of what the characters say contradict each other. Clark has called Jonn his equal. J'onn has said he's stronger. Clark has called CM his equal but then compared the strength of CM and WW. No one has ever said that WW is as strong as Supes. When Superbats got hit by WW he claimed it was the hardest punch he'd ever felt and since Clark was in Kansas, it could only be WW. See what a mess that is 😕 Almost all of that just has to do with trying to make the story more suspenseful or interesting I think. My personal take would be that any strength difference between J'onn and WW would be negligible.
I still maintain that J'onn is the toughest foe in the gauntlet for her. Bloodlusted, she can take most of them for a majority.
i could be wrong but doesnt mm phasing work differently than most? when mm phases doesnt he go to another dimension or something along those lines and whats left is just a visual sillouette until he rephases? if thats the case i dont see how she could ensnare him in the lasso if hes already phased. if she gets him before its a different story but he knows this and would phase as soon as he entered the fight. i dont think ww will clear it, usualy getting stopped by mm or sinestro if lasso cant affect an already phased mm. if it can ww might clear it 3/4 out of ten but usualy loses to sinestro.
Originally posted by Raptor22
i could be wrong but doesnt mm phasing work differently than most? when mm phases doesnt he go to another dimension or something along those lines and whats left is just a visual sillouette until he rephases? if thats the case i dont see how she could ensnare him in the lasso if hes already phased. if she gets him before its a different story but he knows this and would phase as soon as he entered the fight. i dont think ww will clear it, usualy getting stopped by mm or sinestro if lasso cant affect an already phased mm. if it can ww might clear it 3/4 out of ten but usualy loses to sinestro.
I honestly don't have a clue. I'm just as curious about it as you. Given it's magical nature and who it was made by/what it was made from, anything is possible.
Also, given that he'd have to go tangible to beat her (I don't think TP assault would put her down) I don't think simply staying intangible is really an option. Regardless, it would be an interesting fight.
Sinestro - I dunno. I think her standard equip would get her through that.