Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He did basically stalemate Black Bolt.
Originally posted by inimalist
vs black boltblack bolt isn`t using his voice powers, when he does, he is the clear winner, but Vulcan is completely capable of holding his own, if not getting the upper hand, otherwise
some time passes (meaning there was a legitimate KO of Vulcan, then he recovered)
I disagree entirely
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
He has an ability he doesn't know how to access or use offensively without a machine. It's a moot point.Rachel needed Vulcans permission to enter his mind. Darwins powers was shielding him, once Darwin left Vulcan became more vulnerable to telepathy.
Darwins ability to shut off powers was further elaborated on in the What if but he demonstrated it on Rachel and Scott in the 616 Universe.
Vulcan w Petra, Sway and Darwin would stomp. 😬
Get out of here. Vulcan was only successful in shutting off Rachel because she was caught off guard. Vulcan will not get a chance to manipulate the electro current in Nate‘s head. Nate will simply cease his attempts with his TK.
Originally posted by "Id"
There is no evidence to point out that, he has no control over his reality warping ability. Because if he didn’t than, Sugarman would have acquired the much needed results. Its an ability he had for some time, that was never fully explored.
Sugarman got the result in the end.
It's an ability he never used consciously so it's pointless in this fight.
Get out of here. Vulcan was only successful in shutting off Rachel because she was caught off guard. Vulcan will not get a chance to manipulate the electro current in Nate‘s head. Nate will simply cease his attempts with his TK. [/B]
Vulcan forced Rachels powers on Emma. It wasn't an electro current. It was Darwin causing brain damage via touch to remove abilities permanently. That was elaborated on in the What if. Rachel could only access his mind when Vulcan allowed him into his thoughts. Once Darwin was exorcised that protection wasl lifted.
X-Mans “Planck Length” would be useless against Darwin since he can evolve into a God of Death and step into it.
Vulcan w Darwin, Petra and Sway. Curbstomps.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nahh.. He came right back up while BB was recovering. Then bang, EXPLOSION!!!
like I said, we disagree about that
he hung with him until BB actually used his power, which KO'd Vulcan
sure, he regenerated after a time, but he was defeated
its like you are saying Tyson never won any fights by KO because his opponents weren't dead at the end of the match
Originally posted by ExodusCloakVulcan forced Rachels powers on Emma. It wasn't an electro current.
Your attempting to reach out, and overlap what was explained with a What If. There is no way I or anyone else is buying into that.
Besides it a moot point. Previously X-Man had complete molecular of his body through his TK. Attempts to manipulate his matter would fail, thanks to his TK. And even than, you still have to consider that its not real body, just a psy construct. There are no cell, for Darwin to kill.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakRachel could only access his mind when Vulcan allowed him into his thoughts. Once Darwin was exorcised that protection wasl lifted.
Originally posted by inimalist
like I said, we disagree about thathe hung with him until BB actually used his power, which KO'd Vulcan
sure, he regenerated after a time, but he was defeated
its like you are saying Tyson never won any fights by KO because his opponents weren't dead at the end of the match
Good point. But it looks to me Vulcan took his best shot and got right back up in the next panel. I also notice BB was looking spent as Vulcan came at him for round 2. Agree to disagree. 😮💨
Originally posted by "Id"
Are you listing to yourself? Vulcan stopped Rachel in her tracks, thanks to his ability to manipulate current in her brain.Your attempting to reach out, and overlap what was explained with a [b]What If
. There is no way I or anyone else is buying into that.Besides it a moot point. Previously X-Man had complete molecular of his body through his TK. Attempts to manipulate his matter would fail, thanks to his TK. And even than, you still have to consider that its not real body, just a psy construct. There are no cell, for Darwin to kill.
I just looked now. You're right he shut off currents in their brain. Regardless Darwin has another way of shutting it off. And it's a both conscious and subconscious power.
What protection? Your claim is entirely bunk. Vulcan had no idea he had a someone else living in to begin with. Why would he suddenly have outmost control over Darwins ability? it’s a rhetorical question, no answer is needed. Since we are talking about retroactive adaptability. There is no on/off switch.
Rachel couldn't even detect Vulcan. He made Cerebra backfire on Emma.
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He was also able to manipulate Rachels powers and used them to invade Emma's mind.
Either way Darwins ability is too much Nate Grey. If Darwin can evolve into something that can drain gamma energy I wouldn't put it past him to evolve into something that can drain psionic energy.
But again that's not the main point. Darwins defences are too much for Nate Grey. And Vulcan has been shown to manipulate psionic energy. It's too much for X-Man.
I would love to see Vulcan overturn X-Man telekinesis. Unfortunately that was never the case. I’ve yet to see Vulcan reach out, and manipulate TK. And that’s one of two main problems. X-Man TK is sufficient enough to effect matter atomically. And grand enough to destroy an entire continent in an unconscious state.
Thats a problem for Vulcan even with Darwin. Darwin can only take so much physical punishment, before he has to self BFR.
Than there is the case for his telepathy. Since there is no clear evidence Vulcan or Darwin can halt X-Man’s mental abilities. What you bring as a case against X-Man is questionable at best.
Originally posted by "Id"
I would love to see Vulcan overturn X-Man telekinesis. Unfortunately that was never the case. I’ve yet to see Vulcan reach out, and manipulate TK. And that’s one of two main problems. X-Man TK is sufficient enough to effect matter atomically. And grand enough to destroy an entire continent in an unconscious state.Thats a problem for Vulcan even with Darwin. Darwin can only take so much physical punishment, before he has to self BFR.
TK is psionic energy, he was manipulating psionic energy. That's not true, Darwin will evolve to suit the situation. It'd probably be easier to become a psionic drainer and burn X-Man out.
Darwin is a walking plot device. He made Hela look like a twerp. X-Man is not going to fair any better against Darwins defences or offensives.
Than there is the case for his telepathy. Since there is no clear evidence Vulcan or Darwin can halt X-Man’s mental abilities. What you bring as a case against X-Man is questionable at best. [/B]
Vulcan manipulated Rachels mental energies it won't hurt him. Darwin would adapt to make it ineffective he's adapted to worse. If you want to say it's a stalemate X-Man will burn out eventually the other two won't.
Darwin makes this spite. Plus there's Sways powers as well.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Good point. But it looks to me Vulcan took his best shot and got right back up in the next panel. I also notice BB was looking spent as Vulcan came at him for round 2. Agree to disagree. 😮💨
those fights aren't sequential, there is a gap between BB screaming at him and Vulcan recovering, iirc, but ya, agree to disagree
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
TK is psionic energy, he was manipulating psionic energy. That's not true, Darwin will evolve to suit the situation. It'd probably be easier to become a psionic drainer and burn X-Man out.Darwin is a walking plot device. He made Hela look like a twerp. X-Man is not going to fair any better against Darwins defences or offensives.
If Darwin is a walking plot device, X-Man is the Marry Sue pulling out more abilities, and applications than any other psy with the exception of Legion.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakVulcan manipulated Rachels mental energies it won't hurt him. Darwin would adapt to make it ineffective he's adapted to worse. If you want to say it's a stalemate X-Man will burn out eventually the other two won't.
Darwin makes this spite. Plus there's Sways powers as well.
Originally posted by "Id"
I understand that you give Vulcan the edge, for Darwins ability to hang weather out damage. I can’t agree, because I’ve seen there are limits to how much damage Darwin can take.If Darwin is a walking plot device, X-Man is the Marry Sue pulling out more abilities, and applications than any other psy with the exception of Legion.
Yes I'm giving Darwin the edge because he's done things with his powerset that just reaks of writer stupidity. Evolving into a Hel God.
X-Man is not a Mary Sue, because he's not a character writers go ot of their way to protect or covet and he doesn't always win.
Also he can burn out. And can and has been burnt out by a machine.
Its not a stalemate, and I don’t believe he can for one second that Vulcan can walk down X-Man attacks. Considering Gladiator one shoted him, you have to keep in mind X-Man can potentially do the same via augmenting his strength to Moon crushing blows. [/B]
Vulcan was ill-preped for that encounter and still slew the Imperial Guard. Vulcan demonstrated the ability to slug it out with Blackbolt once he understood his powers. And why are you discussing Vulcan when Darwin is there?
Originally posted by inimalist
those fights aren't sequential, there is a gap between BB screaming at him and Vulcan recovering, iirc, but ya, agree to disagree
damn you!! You were correct. I reread WoK #6 and... There were a few more panels that passed before Vulcan got up and regenerated. I guess I would give the slight nod to Black Bolt. But still, they were almost evenly matched throughout the fight. It could have gone either way. No shame in Vulcan getting temporary ko'ed by a herald level character...
surrender
Originally posted by ExodusCloakVulcan was ill-preped for that encounter and still slew the Imperial Guard. Vulcan demonstrated the ability to slug it out with Blackbolt once he understood his powers. And why are you discussing Vulcan when Darwin is there?
Granted, Vulcan may become stronger. But those evolutional growths come under certain conditions. To go outside of what we’ve seen on panel, and make an argument of “invent a power” is to speculate.
Vulcan was matching Black Bolt, and could not overtake Black Bolts energy because he was vast energy manipulator himself. It’s no different with X-Man, he is a vast energy manipulator. And Vulcan was put down the moment his screamed. Look at X-Man who has greater damage output than Black Bolt. The moment he wishes to unleash serious firepower I would be hard pressed to believe Vulcan will walk through it, even with Darwin.
You say well Darwin has survived, Hel death touch. Its not a magical aging stimulant, its physical pounding. Darwin has limits to how much damage he can soak.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
damn you!! You were correct. I reread WoK #6 and... There were a few more panels that passed before Vulcan got up and regenerated. I guess I would give the slight nod to Black Bolt. But still, they were almost evenly matched throughout the fight. It could have gone either way. No shame in Vulcan getting temporary ko'ed by a herald level character...surrender
no, totally, I agree, I'm not trying to say it is a bad showing or anything
