The Juggernaut...show some respect! (Redux)

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Are implying that you believe that Colossus was trying to put down Cain? Did you not see Colossus dodging his blows in the rematch?

Considering colossus said he wanted to put him down and end it...yes, that's the logical conclusion

I did. Hence why it's a silly fight. Even if you look at his old fights with classic juggernaut he never faired that well. This is apparently elder God killing juggernaut and he did worse then depowered Cain and classic juggernaut.

Colossus won with brains. It would appear Cain's real weakness is still his brains

Originally posted by -K-M-
Considering colossus said he wanted to put him down and end it...yes, that's the logical conclusion

I did. Hence why it's a silly fight. Even if you look at his old fights with classic juggernaut he never faired that well. This is apparently elder God killing juggernaut and he did worse then depowered Cain and classic juggernaut.

Speaking of Colossus' old fights with Juggernaut, if we use you're logic Colossus was kicking Juggernauts @ss. But that logic is faulty.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
If Colossus was trying to put him down why didn't he punch him rather than just toss him aside?

Speaking of Colossus' old fights with Juggernaut, if we use you're logic Colossus was kicking Juggernauts @ss. But that logic is faulty.

He said he was trying and wanted to end it. He jumped down to continue to fight and then Cain first hit him with the rock to get him off balance and followed up with two punches. So your logic dictates colossus allowed Cain to pummel on him even though just prior he said the complete opposite of it....and why would he allow himself to be smacked around? Punches were physically making him spit out blood. When has that ever happened before? Dumb logic

Haha what? I'm not following. Here he lasted longer then against classic juggernaut and actually got the better by using BFR. He has never done that ever before. How is that following my logic again?

You're choosing to ignore direct statements in the comic. Not much to debate here

Colossus has gotten the better of Classic Jugg with BFR before. They were fighting on a ship and Colossus punched a hole in it to make it sink with Cain still on it iirc.

Yes I recall, but he even looked before here then that fight. Colossus durability was written like garbage in this series. He thought he was even going to die after falling off the cliff. That's dumb

Colossus has been written like shit for the past several years. Struggling with stuff that he's far surpassed previously, and looking in trouble against opponents who should even be worth his time. He needs a good writer to give him a push and the others need to stop making him seem so much less than he is and should be.

sadly you're very right

It's one of those situations where you hate being right lol.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He said he was trying and wanted to end it. He jumped down to continue to fight and then Cain first hit him with the rock to get him off balance and followed up with two punches. So your logic dictates colossus allowed Cain to pummel on him even though just prior he said the complete opposite of it....and why would he allow himself to be smacked around? Punches were physically making him spit out blood. When has that ever happened before? Dumb logic

Haha what? I'm not following. Here he lasted longer then against classic juggernaut and actually got the better by using BFR. He has never done that ever before. How is that following my logic again?

You're choosing to ignore direct statements in the comic. Not much to debate here

Originally posted by KingD19
Colossus has gotten the better of Classic Jugg with BFR before. They were fighting on a ship and Colossus punched a hole in it to make it sink with Cain still on it iirc.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Where does Colossus say he wanted to end the fight with Juggernaut? Did you get a special edition?

You seriously addressed nothing and added nothing new

You know the page where he throws Cain to the ground hard??? That page. He wanted to destroy the gem and prevent Cain from getting it as he didn't know Cain was going to destroy it. Basic stuff. Enlighten us then...as you ignored this point why would colossus allow Cain to beat him hard enough to cause him to spit out blood? Go on...

Originally posted by juggernaut74
He also got the better of him in their first fight if we go by Mungi's logic.

No he didn't. But alas you are choosing to ignore statements in the comic. I follow what was said and shown that's not mungi logic that's fact.

You said that Colossus stated he was trying and that he wanted to end his fight with Cain.....which Colossus does not say.

Originally posted by -K-M-
You seriously addressed nothing and added nothing new

You know the page where he throws Cain to the ground hard??? That page. He wanted to destroy the gem and prevent Cain from getting it as he didn't know Cain was going to destroy it. Basic stuff. Enlighten us then...as you ignored this point why would colossus allow Cain to beat him hard enough to cause him to spit out blood? Go on...

No he didn't. But alas you are choosing to ignore statements in the comic. I follow what was said and shown that's not mungi logic that's fact.

Using you're Logic here Cain does the better of Colossus:

Originally posted by juggernaut74
You said that Colossus stated he was trying and that he wanted to end his fight with Cain.....which Colossus does not say.

Colossus: "All the chaos. All the destruction, every evil YOU'VE commited...it ends here, forever"

Reading comprehension fail. I repeat why would colossus not try to fight Cain here?

*face palm* I was talking about new elder God killing juggernaut he was doing better against then classic. Not against depowered Cain.

Nice compassion too. One fight a weakened Cain was making him spit up blood. The other colossus sneak attacked him and landed hits that did no damage.

I noticed you dodged the question again. Explain to me why colossus would allow Cain to hit him again? If you can't do that don't respond

Originally posted by -K-M-
Colossus: "All the chaos. All the destruction, every evil [b]YOU'VE commited...it ends here, forever"

Reading comprehension fail. I repeat why would colossus not try to fight Cain here? [/B]

Originally posted by -K-M-
*face palm* I was talking about new elder God killing juggernaut he was doing better against then classic. Not against depowered Cain.

Nice compassion too. One fight a weakened Cain was making him spit up blood. The other colossus sneak attacked him and landed hits that did no damage.

I noticed you dodged the question again. Explain to me why colossus would allow Cain to hit him again? If you can't do that don't respond

For some reason you're lowballing depowered Juggernaut by routinely bringing up him making Colossus bleed with punches. Might be because Sasquatch didn't want to pursue their battle after his initial contact with Cain(Sasquatches teammate was ordered to help Walter). Might be the reason Sasquatch opted to wear Hulk-buster armor in the rematch?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
He was going to destroy the gem, not Cain ,

you can't seriously think Colossus was trying to end Cain Marko. Reading comprehension ftw. It's kinda hard to damage full powered Juggernaut with punches captain obvious. But Colossus was getting the better of Juggernaut in that exchange though using you're logic. Now on to you're question(which I've already answered). Colossus wasn't trying to defend himself against Cain Marko, but as shown in the next issue when he fought fully powered Juggernaut by being able to dodge his blows.

For some reason you're lowballing depowered Juggernaut by routinely bringing up him making Colossus bleed with punches. Might be because Sasquatch didn't want to pursue their battle after his initial contact with Cain(Sasquatches teammate was ordered to help Walter). Might be the reason Sasquatch opted to wear Hulk-buster armor in the rematch?

*facepalm* As he said Cain was evil and wanted to stop him from getting the gem hence why he threw him away

Haha yep makes perfect sense, Colossus who main plan was to destroy the gem and as noted stop Cain from getting it decides he won't fight him after he threw him to the ground and charged after him. So again just to be clear you believe after he said that he decided he doesn't actually want to fight Cain and just let him hit him? Just to be clear.

Using my logic? Honestly I don't think you understand what I am saying. Case in point I'm lowballing depowered cain? What? In fact I was doing the opposite. 😬 Who else has made Colossus spit out blood from punches? So if depowered Cain was doing that, why is it so hard for you to believe elder god killing Cain broke Colossus hands and ribs? You claimed you didn't believe that he did.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I'm not sure he broke his hand and ribs. He was moving to gracefully during the fight. Even so King Hyperion broke his hand punching a watered down Juggernaut.

Colossus was out to destroy the gem, not Cain Marko as you seem think believe for some reason.

Cain is a beast so him making Colossus spit blood isn't that big of deal considering he made Sasquatch poor blood from his mouth as well and he even drew blood from World War Hulk. As noted above Cain made Sasquatch change his mind about wanting to fight. As for Colossus having broken ribs and hand....I'm still on the fence about that. He may have but the way he was dodging Juggernauts punches seemed to say otherwise. But Juggernaut being stronger than ever it would make sense that one punch from Juggernaut did break Colossus' ribs. Teenage Colossus dropped Juggernaut twice but the new Juggernaut didn't move an inch from Colossus' attack.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus was out to destroy the gem, not Cain Marko as you seem think believe for some reason.

Cain is a beast so him making Colossus spit blood isn't that big of deal considering he made Sasquatch poor blood from his mouth as well and he even drew blood from World War Hulk. As noted above Cain made Sasquatch change his mind about wanting to fight. As for Colossus having broken ribs and hand....I'm still on the fence about that. He may have but the way he was dodging Juggernauts punches seemed to say otherwise. But Juggernaut being stronger than ever it would make sense that one punch from Juggernaut did break Colossus' ribs. Teenage Colossus dropped Juggernaut twice but the new Juggernaut didn't move an inch from Colossus' attack.

You keep dodging the question over and over and over again. but yes you think Colossus allowed Cain to hit him. Yep specifically called cain out and wanted to stop him from getting the gem and end it forever didn't actually want to fight Cain apparently 😬

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING! Also you forget Colossus believed he was going to DIE from falling off the cliff. He was hardly fine. He also lasted longer (as in length of fight) then majority of his fights with classic Juggernaut too.