Master Chief and Samus vs Cloud and Sephiroth

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Sephiroth and Cloud is a whole different type of opponent.

It would be like saying Grommash Hellscream could kill Superman because he has killed Cenarius and Mannoroth, or Darth Vader conquering the Warhammer 40k universe because he slayed the Emperor.

Who he has beaten and what they can do is IRRELEVANT. All that matter is how he did it. To quote Cortana: "Luck"

I understand what you are saying but do not fully agree with your point in this case. I will respond later after I have gather some info.

What's there not to agree with? Who someone beats is irrelevant. It is about how it's beaten.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
What's there not to agree with? Who someone beats is irrelevant. It is about how it's beaten.

You are starting to lose me here. I thought you were making a different point and now I see your above statement. I definitely do not see how you can say the who is irrelevant.

If we go to the how, it still does not show that Master Chief would be an easy defeat.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You are starting to lose me here. I thought you were making a different point and now I see your above statement. I definitely do not see how you can say the who is irrelevant.

If we go to the how, it still does not show that Master Chief would be an easy defeat.

The "how" is all that matters. The "who" is irrelevant. What the "who" is capable of is revealed during the "how" and "who" in itself is not at all relevant to what a character is capable of.

So instead of saying that Master Chief defeated (Insert "who" here), you should be saying "Master Chief used superior intellect mixed with a touch of luck, a super armor and a geneticly manipulated body to accomplish (Insert feat X, Y & Z here)"

Leave "who" out of this, unless you can include the relevance of the "who", for example:
Master Chief dodged X, which travel at Y rate of speed, because each "who" is just that fast.

Forget the who all-in-all. They don't matter. Just tell us what Master Chief has done in terms of feats and capabilities that help him beat Cloud and/or Sephiroth.
The fact that he can kill a Covenant Grunt doesn't help his case.

Understood!

Since everyone is familiar with Halo there are no feats that I can mention that everyone is not already aware. So, in order to validate who, here is some info that we know concerning the covenant and flood. The Covenant species were very tall and stronger than any human including Master Chief. They used technology from the forerunners and ancient powerful race that was more advance then anything Master Chief had at his disposal and Cloud and Sephiroth. A self regenerating shield and a re-charging plasma weapon to name a few.

The flood were not just some parasites because they could not be stop by the forerunners race accept by them activating the halos and annihilating themselves in the process. All of this Master Chief face and survive enemies who were stronger and faster. So inline with what you stated Master Chief will use his superior intellect, combat and survival skills to make it a match.

Besides each other and ones like themselves I do not know of anyone Cloud and Sephiroth went against that were as dangerous as the Covenant or the flood.

My argument is not that Master Chief would necessary win but make it a match. Cloud and Sephiroth speed and agility will not have Master Chief pissing in his pants. If they get to close they might fine a grenade on themselves.

Kotor3, truejedi is still waiting for your reply in the star wars section...

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
Kotor3, truejedi is still waiting for your reply in the star wars section...

Lol! You got me with that one. What thread? Anyway, truejedi in one conversation with me got himself to the inevitable ignore list.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Look I agree that they are more powerful, but everyone Master Chief went against was more powerful then him. I am not stating that he would win one on one but it definitely would not be easy for Cloud or Sephiroth. You act as if Master Chief was fighting things from tomb raider or doom. The covenant and flood are 100 times worst not to mention their advance weaponry.

Was it the Grunts? Because they are certainly not even his equal in any way.

Was it the Jackals? Because other than being keen marksmen, nothing note-worthy.

Was it the Elites? Because physically they are similar, sure, but Master Chief is a more skilled and better soldier, plus he has Cortana, a great advantage.

Was it the Hunters? Physically they are greater, yes, but they are slow and dumb, along with having a PAINFULLY easily exploited weak-point.

Was it the Brutes? Sure, they are stronger, but they are dumber and slower as well.

Was it the Flood? Because although they are strong and agile, they are pretty frail.

Master Chief has never fought ANYONE on friggin Zack's level, let alone Cloud or Sephiroth's.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Lol, really?

Was it the Grunts? Because they are certainly not even his equal in any way.

Was it the Jackals? Because other than being keen marksmen, nothing note-worthy.

Was it the Elites? Because physically they are similar, sure, but Master Chief is a more skilled and better soldier, plus he has Cortana, a great advantage.

Was it the Hunters? Physically they are greater, yes, but they are slow and dumb, along with having a PAINFULLY easily exploited weak-point.

Was it the Brutes? Sure, they are stronger, but they are dumber and slower as well.

Was it the Flood? Because although they are strong and agile, they are pretty frail.

Master Chief has never fought ANYONE on friggin Zack's level, let alone Cloud or Sephiroth's.

Well, I tried to make an argument for Master Chief. Evidently not a good one. I still do not think it would be an easy win for Cloud or Seph. Perhaps when I have more time I will try to make a better argument if one can be made. You win this round.