Juggernaut vs. high evolutionary

good match or no? i was just looking up the high evolutionary and thought i'd pit him against one of my favorite characters of all time. could this be the ultimate brains vs. brawn?

battlfield: adamantium domed city completely void of life except these 2.(no battlefield removal).

1st scenario. both combatants are spontaneously transported to the city with themselves and thier powers/armors.

2nd scenario, high evolutionary gets 1 day prep

3rd scenario, high evolutionary gets 2 days prep

and so on and so forth until he wins???

how many days does he make it to before he can finally defeat the juggernaut? either by ko, or sufficiently damaging him or hurting him (via telepathy or magical means) to where juggernaut doesnt want to fight. he can only take with him what he can carry in his hands to the battlefield each time he goes back.

This fight is so lopsided it's practically spite. The H/E is one of the most intelligent beings in the MU and a MONSTROUSLY strong telepath. That helmet of Jugg's isn't perfect- Psylocke's psi-bolts used to go through it all the time.

Juggernaut is good against bricks, but that's about it- Nimrod ruined his day using SONICS. The H/E has tech advanced enough to create his own copy of earth, complete with living organisms.

IIRC his machines are capable of evolving/devolving beings at will- Hercules (and himself) were practically evolved out of existence into ethereal beings at the end of the evolutionary war.

I think Juggs would rather fight onslaught again before he tried to tangle with the HE

Everything Space M ummy said is true, but you have to take the good with the bad. H/E is not consistently that powerful. Sometimes he's strong enough to take on Galactus, other times Thor is smacking him around, other times even lower. But for the sake of this topic, I agree that H/E even at slightly weaker showings is versatile enough to take out jugg.

for the sake of the arguement juggernaut is Po'd to the point (with all his power) that he was when fighting d'spayre. magically dissolving him to bone didnt really work....

what will??? the only time i recall high evolutionary being powerful enough for it to be so lopsided was when he fought galactus?

i dont think apoc would fair any better against juggernaut than he did against high evolutionary... in fact i think apoc would do worse.

and the times he fought thor NONE of those attacks would work on juggernaut. it isnt THAT lopsided i wouldnt think.

what about 8th day?

trion?

there has to be a good battle in the making.

Originally posted by KillAll
for the sake of the arguement juggernaut is Po'd to the point (with all his power) that he was when fighting d'spayre. magically dissolving him to bone didnt really work....

To be fair, that fight happened in D'spayre's dimension- the laws of magic/physics are totally different there. It also ignores the many, MANY, MANY times Juggs has been knocked out stone cold by a lot less than being dissolved down to bone.

The WEAK version on onslaught threw juggernaut across a continent and mindwiped him for the easy win. This was just the Xavier/Magneto fusion, that lacked Xman and Franklin's powers. H/E is way, waaaaaay past that version of onslaught.

what will??? the only time i recall high evolutionary being powerful enough for it to be so lopsided was when he fought galactus?

Evolutionary's powers vary a lot, but even at his lowest points he's still extremely versatile. Again, all it takes to KO the juggernaut is psychic powers or sonics- abilities that ignore the vast majority of what the H/E can do- and that's before we get into all the tech. H/E evolved a god (immortal hercules) out of existence into nothingness, and set up labs inside of stars. We're talking some serious, SERIOUS science here.

i dont think apoc would fair any better against juggernaut than he did against high evolutionary... in fact i think apoc would do worse.

Apocalypse is waaaaaaaay underrated. Before his original body was destroyed on the moon (classic Xfactor) he was portrayed as being completely invulnerable, with nearly every power under the sun.

and the times he fought thor NONE of those attacks would work on juggernaut. it isnt THAT lopsided i wouldnt think.

Thor is more versatile than juggernaut is (faster, immune to most energy assaults because of mjolnir, can fly...etc), and doesn't have that psychic achilles heel.

what about 8th day?

trion?

there has to be a good battle in the making. [/B]

Those might be better, but I'd still bank on H/E's tech and general intellect being enough to take out juggs, if he's operating at his peak.

High-E

Originally posted by Space M ummy
To be fair, that fight happened in D'spayre's dimension- the laws of magic/physics are totally different there. It also ignores the many, MANY, MANY times Juggs has been knocked out stone cold by a lot less than being dissolved down to bone.

i think you must have something against juggernaut? well lets begin. actually i'm pretty sure the fight happened in sirocco sprawl new mexico... not even close on this one. many times juggernaut has been knocked out??? name one, that doesnt involve psionics, on panel... please.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

The WEAK version on onslaught threw juggernaut across a continent and mindwiped him for the easy win. This was just the Xavier/Magneto fusion, that lacked Xman and Franklin's powers. H/E is way, waaaaaay past that version of onslaught.

that was what was stated to happen yes, but everything points to psionics.... juggernaut has never ever been knocked out on panel, with his powers still in tact. even then lately it was stated that charles was mean to recieve the juggernaut power originally, and that it may have been messing with the power flow to cain marko when he was onslaught.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

Evolutionary's powers vary a lot, but even at his lowest points he's still extremely versatile. Again, all it takes to KO the juggernaut is psychic powers or sonics- abilities that ignore the vast majority of what the H/E can do- and that's before we get into all the tech. H/E evolved a god (immortal hercules) out of existence into nothingness, and set up labs inside of stars. We're talking some serious, SERIOUS science here.

actually SONICS i'm pretty sure werent what "knocked out" juggernaut. nimrod stated he had 2 weapons in use. one was a sonic weapon of some sort, and the other was a nueral impactor (i'm recalling from memory here)... he didnt knock him out either, he paralyzed him.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Apocalypse is waaaaaaaay underrated. Before his original body was destroyed on the moon (classic Xfactor) he was portrayed as being completely invulnerable, with nearly every power under the sun.

not sure how this helps your arguement? apocalypse even stated he wondered who was more powerful, himself or juggernaut. an answer he recieved threw a 3rd party? how he got that i'm not sure.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Thor is more versatile than juggernaut is (faster, immune to most energy assaults because of mjolnir, can fly...etc), and doesn't have that psychic achilles heel.

even though thor is those things, he still was beat by HE, which none of those attacks would work on juggernaut. and thor cant just straight up beat juggernaut either? not sure where you are going with this either.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Those might be better, but I'd still bank on H/E's tech and general intellect being enough to take out juggs, if he's operating at his peak.

i dont even think HE could slow down trion, but then again, you never know. not sure how a reality smashing juggernaut gets slain by a tech head...

Originally posted by guy222
High-E

HE got his ass handed to him by Joe Fixit.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
HE got his ass handed to him by Joe Fixit.

this shows you didnt even read the comic.

he instructed hulk to kill him

Ok, Juggernaut is officially a cosmic-level being now.

Let the Juggernaut wankfest begin.

Are you suggesting that H/E is a cosmic level being?

Cause he ain't.

I think HE can promptly lose the first scenario, if BFR is not allowed. Especially considering on of his latest versions was scared shitless by Ultron.
But 1 day prep is enough for HE to take 10/10

HE on his game is about sky father level. At his lowest he is still high Herald level.

Juggy loses

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Are you suggesting that H/E is a cosmic level being?

Cause he ain't.

So Superman is considered as Cosmic Being as well

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So Superman is considered as Cosmic Being as well

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Superman doesnt have cosmic powers

My point is, you can be a cosmic being and it doesn't meant squat

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He is still considered a cosmic being.

My point is, you can be a cosmic being and it doesn't meant squat

yes. but with HE. it does

his power levels at best is at galactus levels and greater