I always just used the time-stop theory for that. When Flash starts using the speed-force to it's more impressive side, there's literally no upper speed limit for him. I remember a conversation he was having with Max Mercury a long time ago, and they were simply -walking- around the town so fast everyone was statues. Flash is pretty much a time-traveler when he wants to be.
Yea when it comes to speed I don't think anyone can actually touch Wally West.
He doesn't just break time/space anymore. His ability to break time/space is so great, he was able to go back to Crisis on Infinite Earth's.
Unfortunately Johns is gonna try and piss all over that. Barry Allen created the Speed Force? What kind of fanboy shit is that?
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Well, what's Flash's best feat?
I don't think there really is anyway to quantify his best speed feats. How fast are you if you run 200 miles and arrive 2 seconds before you left? The entire time/space barrier breaking makes it really difficult
I can post some half decent feats, where it says he can cover this much distance in picoseconds etc. His way beyond light to the point, math stops being important.
I'm trying to find feats where we have the distance stated as well. I have plenty of scans of him scanning at ridiculous speeds. Like when he casually and easily scans the faces of half a million people and saves Wonder Woman in a picosecond and is ciearly faster than light by a fair bit, or moving in an attosecond, and shit. Obviously his doing uber shit, we don't just know how quantifiable it is. You can find all of that shit by looking in the respect thread really.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea when it comes to speed I don't think anyone can actually touch Wally West.He doesn't just break time/space anymore. His ability to break time/space is so great, he was able to go back to Crisis on Infinite Earth's.
Unfortunately Johns is gonna try and piss all over that. Barry Allen created the Speed Force? What kind of fanboy shit is that?
Originally posted by Digithe only one speaking throughout the scans in question was the 'unreliable narrator'. that said, if you're going to take his distance/time statements literally, then you must also take his 'sub-light speed' statements literally. i mean, the writer making two different claims regarding wally moving at less than c cannot just be disregarded - as that was clearly how fast the writer intended him to be travelling.
So where does that leave us? For me personally, I have to default it to an unreliable narrator and then deduce as much as I can from the scans and context. Were there more people in the city, Flash would not have simply stopped. So I can feel confident that he saved all of them. And with reasonable estimates about the number of people in the city, he would have to be going faster than light. Imo, at least.
due to these discrepancies, the entire instance should be thrown out and not used as *solid* evidence. imo.
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more on point... being that wally is not truly omnipresent, any time he moves somewhere 'instantly', or arrives somewhere before he left, he is obviously time travelling via the SF. however, what should be mentioned is that azrael is capable of time travelling on a whim - he did so a few times throughout his comic. so basically, wally pulling that little 'trick' wouldn't help him at all.
but where pure speed feats are concerned, i cannot think of anything wally has done that is on par with azrael moving from pluto to mars [an average of 3,559,000,000 miles] in a nanosecond.
Originally posted by Galan007
the only one speaking throughout the scans in question was the 'unreliable narrator'. that said, if you're going to take his distance/time statements literally, then you must also take his 'sub-light speed' statements literally. i mean, the writer making two different claims regarding wally moving at less than c cannot just be disregarded - as that was clearly how fast the writer intended him to be travelling.due to these discrepancies, the entire instance should be thrown out and not used as *solid* evidence. imo.
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more on point... being that wally is not truly omnipresent, any time he moves somewhere 'instantly', or arrives somewhere before he left, he is obviously time travelling via the SF. however, what should be mentioned is that azrael is capable of time travelling on a whim - he did so a few times throughout his comic. so basically, wally pulling that little 'trick' wouldn't help him at all.
but where pure speed feats are concerned, i cannot think of anything wally has done that is on par with azrael moving from pluto to mars [an average of 3,559,000,000 miles] in a nanosecond.
That's just it, I'm not taking any of the narrator's statements literally. I'm dismissing them and figuring out as much as possible from the pictures. The place he was at was several miles away (35? Who knows) and I feel confident saying he saved the entire city of people (he wouldn't have stopped to simply watch the bomb if he hadn't). Given the time he had to operate within, I believe he was most likely traveling the speed of light or beyond. And like I said, moving at such speeds is not without precedent for Wally.
It's an incredible feat, and does show us something about Wally regardless of whether or not we can run exact figures on it. I have a hard time discounting it entirely from consideration because of that. But, again, that was brought up originally as one example. It's not the only feat of such a caliber that could be referenced for Wally.
But, just to clarify, I'm just offering a take on the scans, not taking a stance on the battle itself. I've never read anything of AZ 1M.
Originally posted by jalek moye
Yup now Barry gives them all there power for some reason and is the fastest even though Wally proved he was before.
Why would Barry Allen be faster than Wally West? He has no feats to say so. Despite John's wanking and retconning that doesn't change the fact that Wally's feat's make him the fastest man who ever lived.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would Barry Allen be faster than Wally West? He has no feats to say so. Despite John's wanking and retconning that doesn't change the fact that Wally's feat's make him the fastest man who ever lived.
Post crisis, no, but Barry has some PC speed feats that are insane.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would Barry Allen be faster than Wally West? He has no feats to say so. Despite John's wanking and retconning that doesn't change the fact that Wally's feat's make him the fastest man who ever lived.
What makes you say this?
Did you read all of Barry's old appearances?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What makes you say this?Did you read all of Barry's old appearances?
Because it's been pretty thorougly established that Wally West is the fastest Flash, and has surpassed Barry Allen a while ago.
Shit, back in the day, he survived the same effort that killed Barry.
Most of them, although it's been a while if you are referring to his Pre-Crisis feats. I always found them boring.
Originally posted by Digibut if you're taking the amount of people wally saved, as well as the distance he travelled, as fact - then you are taking the narrator's statements literally. thus, you'd have to take his < light speed comments literally, as well.
That's just it, I'm not taking any of the narrator's statements literally. I'm dismissing them and figuring out as much as possible from the pictures. The place he was at was several miles away (35? Who knows) and I feel confident saying he saved the entire city of people (he wouldn't have stopped to simply watch the bomb if he hadn't). Given the time he had to operate within, I believe he was most likely traveling the speed of light or beyond. And like I said, moving at such speeds is not without precedent for Wally.It's an incredible feat, and does show us something about Wally regardless of whether or not we can run exact figures on it. I have a hard time discounting it entirely from consideration because of that. But, again, that was brought up originally as one example. It's not the only feat of such a caliber that could be referenced for Wally.
But, just to clarify, I'm just offering a take on the scans, not taking a stance on the battle itself. I've never read anything of AZ 1M.
Originally posted by Galan007
but if you're taking the amount of people wally saved, as well as the distance he travelled, as fact - then you are taking the narrator's statements literally. thus, you'd have to take his < light speed comments literally, as well.
Two are greater than one.
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