And here's Tsunade swinging the sword:
I dunno if Naruto's feat was better. I'm leaning towards a no since the sword is bigger, and denser. (Steel is 8 times as dense as the human body...which the Rhino would be around the same density.)
What this means is a sword that is much more massive than the Rhino. The only way to compare the two is use the equation for force to move a lever in a circle (centripital force) and figure out how fast each was swung. Naruto's was probably much faster...but...depending on how much would make the difference.
Originally posted by KentoShould we not assume both opponents fight to the best of there ability and not holding back? Raikage is a speed demon and has lightning fast reflexes, Pain won't know what hit him if Raikage goes in to a blitz. Yes Pain has a lot of nice Jutsu but when you can't see your opponent much less react in time to counter his attacks he is basically reduced to his shinra tensei. It took Raikage one panel to amp his Lightning shroud, it's not a gradual thing.
There isn't anything to suggest he is to fast to be touched at all. He'd never have to time to amp up to the speed he used to dodge Amaterasu, and then attack God Realm before God Realm unleashes an attack that could break every bone in his body.
Shinra Tensei would unlikely break any bones since Pain survived the one turned back on him, one which was intended to repel 6 tail Naruto.
Originally posted by KentoAgain where is it shown his shroud takes long to activate / amp? He activated it in one page when first meeting Sasuke then amped in one panel later in the battle. Also a fair vs fight would have them starting some distance apart giving Raikage more than enough time to get his shroud going.
His only hope would to be using Raiton Shroud first, but it would still still be to last because he's be hit by the attack as he does without being able to amp his speed fast enough to hope to blitz Pein. And that first inital Shinra Tensei from Pein is all that is needed to start a chain of constant attacks from every direction keeping Raikage from amping. Even assuming he could get his bearings after and start to dodge the attacks and beat all the summons, and other bodies it would be enough distraction for Pein to end the fight with Chibaku Tensei.
About Pains Chibaku Tensei. You know it's basically just a gravitational force like a black hole although much weaker? You could argue Raikage's shunshin would be able to get away from it's effects. Although either side of that argument is just speculation since we don't know it's gravitational force or shunshin's exact speed.
I would agree with you if Raikage only had his insane movement speed but he has the lightning fast reactions to go with it which makes him the first and best candidate in Naruto to pull off a true speedblitz.
Originally posted by yungz22
Personally I think Pein is overrated. God realms intervals are a really easy to exploit all you have to do is dodge the first one then its all over for god realm. The rest of the bodies are all fodder.
Well you say that, and fair enough it seems that way. But i mean look at the rookie 9 for example, most of them only have one move, maybe a few variations. Once you get past that their easy.
Pain is so strong because he has 6 bodies that share the same eyes, ears etc. One of the major points up until now is that teamwork is the way to succeed.
This guy has completed hacked teamwork. He is his own team, able share thoughts and plans with each other, a mastermind behind it all. Also each of the bodies can do something different, allowing a varied contribution.
I think you get the picture. Pain derserves all the 'rating' he has. Probably and thensome. To be honest i think how easily Naruto won compared to Jiraiya was PIS. But that's just me
Originally posted by EvilAngel
To be honest i think how easily Naruto won compared to Jiraiya was PIS. But that's just me
Fair enough.
Let me explain an alternate perspective as to Naruto's success being legitimate.
1. Naruto had mastered Safe Mode where Jiraiya had not. Naruto's sage mode was stronger in every-way.
2. I may be wrong about this, but I think Naruto learned the Toad Sage taijutsu whereas, Jiraiya had not.
3. Naruto knew more about Pain and his bodies than Jiraiya did.
4. Naruto had an attack, the Rasenshuriken, that could cut through several mountains before it was even complete. That killed a couple of the bodies.
5. Kakashi and...I forget who (Tsunade?) both looked at Naruto and saw the Strength and battle prowess of both Jiraiya and Yondaime. Naruto is a very intelligent combatant. His stamina is second to who...Raikage and maybe Hachibi?
6. One of the Pain bodies, Yohiko, was worn out and couldn't fight for a tad bit.
All of those come together to make Naruto a better fighter H2H, and be more aware of his environment. Like someone else said, it's possible that Naruto has the greatest strength feat in all of Naruto...he's at least in the area of Tsunade, if not stronger. He has one of the greatest speed feats, as well. We have Sasuke and Raikage doing "insta" movements, too. Naruto's speed comes from his safe mode and toad art taijutsu.
IMO, Jiraiya was horribly disadvantaged because he was stuck in an enclosed environment. IMO, neither fight was PIS.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Fair enough.Let me explain an alternate perspective as to Naruto's success being legitimate.
1. Naruto had mastered Safe Mode where Jiraiya had not. Naruto's sage mode was stronger in every-way.
2. I may be wrong about this, but I think Naruto learned the Toad Sage taijutsu whereas, Jiraiya had not.
3. Naruto knew more about Pain and his bodies than Jiraiya did.
4. Naruto had an attack, the Rasenshuriken, that could cut through several mountains before it was even complete. That killed a couple of the bodies.
5. Kakashi and...I forget who (Tsunade?) both looked at Naruto and saw the Strength and battle prowess of both Jiraiya and Yondaime. Naruto is a very intelligent combatant. His stamina is second to who...Raikage and maybe Hachibi?
6. One of the Pain bodies, Yohiko, was worn out and couldn't fight for a tad bit.
All of those come together to make Naruto a better fighter H2H, and be more aware of his environment. Like someone else said, it's possible that Naruto has the greatest strength feat in all of Naruto...he's at least in the area of Tsunade, if not stronger. He has one of the greatest speed feats, as well. We have Sasuke and Raikage doing "insta" movements, too. Naruto's speed comes from his safe mode and toad art taijutsu.
IMO, Jiraiya was horribly disadvantaged because he was stuck in an enclosed environment. IMO, neither fight was PIS.
Well it's more to do with the fact he mastered sage mode in.... how long? versus Jiraiya who had been learning it for.... how long?
But yeah, consider Jiraiya's experience etc and he still got creamed versus Naruto's natural ability and he kicks his ass? 😬
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
he did learn a technique in one week that took the fourth his life to learn.
With a thousand clones.
Even considering it's 3 per technique thats 333 weeks, aka 6 and a half years, of pretty much pure training on that one technique. The Fourth died young, i doubt he spent that much time on it to be honest.
The sage training he could only use his real body to learn.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Well it's more to do with the fact he mastered sage mode in.... how long? versus Jiraiya who had been learning it for.... how long?
Jiraiya was also said to be hasty and that he didn't work hard enough.
Also, we have continuous feats from Naruto that show he just simply gets it much faster than everyone else. It took him what...a week or 2 to master the rasengan when it took Jiraiya a year? That right there should tell you the difference between Naruto and Jiraiya.
His Sage Mode mastery is just another iteration of Naruto's superiority over the previous generation, which is a recurring theme in Naruto.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
But yeah, consider Jiraiya's experience etc and he still got creamed versus Naruto's natural ability and he kicks his ass? 😬
Jiraiya's experience also got him a nod from Nagato. Nagato said that if Jiraiya knew his secret, he'd most likely lose. Naruto knew that secret. Naruto DID almost lose. I still think Jiraiya would be Naruto in a fight, if he were still alive...even IF Naruto has better mastery over Sage Mode.
And, lol, did you notice my Freudian slip? In my last post, I put "safe mode." (Cause I work in IT.)
Originally posted by EvilAngeli used to tell people that when they bring up the resengan thing.
With a thousand clones.Even considering it's 3 per technique thats 333 weeks, aka 6 and a half years, of pretty much pure training on that one technique. The Fourth died young, i doubt he spent that much time on it to be honest.
The sage training he could only use his real body to learn.
minato also had to you know....get powerful enough to fight madara w/ kyuubi closing the 3rd ninja war. i doubt the regular resengan is enough to take down tobi/madara or the full kyuubi, he probably just scraped it to do more important training.