Originally posted by h1a8Thor even says that The hammer is lending the striking power. Odin says pretty much the same thing years later in a recent comic.
I think it is a great argument. After all Mjolnir can move and fly on Thor's command. It can go in circles, straight, or any way Thor wants it to go. Thus it can move in conjunction to Thor's swing to add more power to the strike. Like two beings swinging the same hammer for added strength.
Originally posted by carver9
This post is all fu***** up.Captain Marvel and Supes are equals in strength.
Wonder woman is a tab bit behind but she is just as strong but ALL of them are equals, each can beat the other (except I think captain marvel can pull a 7/10 against supes).
CM is only peers with a casual Superman. It was proven on panel that Superman has mental blocks and only releases them (or part of them) under dire circumstances. A serious Superman is in a class of his own and even exceeds Darkseid in physicality.
On panel it was shown that WW is stronger than Hercules, the god who CM has the strength of.
Originally posted by h1a8
CM is only peers with a casual Superman. It was proven on panel that Superman has mental blocks and only releases them (or part of them) under dire circumstances. A serious Superman is in a class of his own and even exceeds Darkseid in physicality.On panel it was shown that WW is stronger than Hercules, the god who CM has the strength of.
Originally posted by h1a8He released his mental blocks against WW and she lived through it. You can continue to claim otherwise but this showing was an example of him punching/fighting to kill in light of Lord's visions upon him.
CM is only peers with a casual Superman. It was proven on panel that Superman has mental blocks and only releases them (or part of them) under dire circumstances. A serious Superman is in a class of his own and even exceeds Darkseid in physicality.On panel it was shown that WW is stronger than Hercules, the god who CM has the strength of.
Originally posted by ZeuodinWho has? To suggest she's on Thor/s/Superman's/Marvel's level of strength is a lie imo. I haven't underminded her you have over exaggerated her. It's too be expected of you and surprises no one. The funniest feat was that Flux character to which you couldn't even give me an issue number or background on the character.
People have been undermining WW this entire thread but that's ok with you because you are also guilty of that.
Originally posted by ZeuodinSuperman is stronger than Ds. His showings more than prove it along with his physical beating of Ds. Ds has always relied on his own omega effect to best Superman and realizes he can't beat him without it.
Superman isn't stronger than DS. He's never even Beaten DS in hand to hand. It's always DS hitting himself with his own Omegas or some dumb stuff like that.
Originally posted by quanchi112So you are using the story for a low feat against Superman because Wonder Woman lived thru it but you use it as a low showing for her because she didn't kill him and she got her wrist broken? It can't be a low showing for both.
He released his mental blocks against WW and she lived through it. You can continue to claim otherwise but this showing was an example of him punching/fighting to kill in light of Lord's visions upon him.Who has? To suggest she's on Thor/s/Superman's/Marvel's level of strength is a lie imo. I haven't underminded her you have over exaggerated her. It's too be expected of you and surprises no one. The funniest feat was that Flux character to which you couldn't even give me an issue number or background on the character.
Superman is stronger than Ds. His showings more than prove it along with his physical beating of Ds. Ds has always relied on his own omega effect to best Superman and realizes he can't beat him without it.
Originally posted by ZeuodinIt isn't a low showing for either. The point is without his mental blocks on he was still was in the same range as with them on imo. Slightly stronger. He was still way too strong for WW to take him on physically.
So you are using the story for a low feat against Superman because Wonder Woman lived thru it but you use it as a low showing for her because she didn't kill him and she got her wrist broken? It can't be a low showing for both.
Originally posted by quanchi112Your response was horrible. Your double standard and trying to use a story to low ball one character when you argue against them, and then use the same story to low ball another character when you argue against them is diplorable. Actually it's just blatant obvious opinionism.
Either debate with me or don't respond. It's simple.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Thor is clearly saying that his Hammer is what delivers the striking power. He's saying in his own words that nothing can withstand the might of Mjoirnir. So that ends that Stupid argument about his strength. The hammer is what provides the striking power.
Are you really this stupid and desperate? I mean seriously?
As a matter of fact where does Thor say Mjolnir is what delivers his striking power? Where? Stop making shit up. He said nothing can withstand the power of Mjolnir and based on that you are actually trying to argue that Mjolnir is what delivers all of his striking power? LOL.
That's perhaps the stupidest argument I've literally read all year, and that's saying a lot. Thor has countless of times said that nothing can withstand the might of Mjolnir, the power of Mjolnir is unstoppable, and other shit. At the same time, Thor has said that his strength knows no limits, the power and strength is this and that. How do you based on that determine that Mjolnir supplies all of Thor's striking power? Especially when you have his combat feats fighting opponents without Mjolnir and shit.
In fact, there is evidence to proof the exact opposite, when opponents accuse him of depending on his hammer and he throws it away and still does as well, if not BETTER. Thor has literally encountered people in comics that say the EXACT same thing as you and have proven them wrong.
It's, it's just.....god. facepalm
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI reported. Secondly, He using the STRIKING power of the hammer as he says what he says. And Odin also uses the hammer and kills someone and sites the devastation of the Hammer in his hands.
Are you really this stupid and desperate? I mean seriously?As a matter of fact where does Thor say Mjolnir is what delivers his striking power? Where? Stop making shit up. He said nothing can withstand the power of Mjolnir and based on that you are actually trying to argue that Mjolnir is what delivers all of his striking power? LOL.
In fact, there is evidence to proof the exact opposite, when opponents accuse him of depending on his hammer and he throws it away and still does as well, if not BETTER. Thor has literally encountered people in comics that say the EXACT same thing as you and have proven them wrong.
It's, it's just.....god. facepalm
Originally posted by ZeuodinI am not trying to low ball a character. Supes' strength doesn't grow to a level far beyond what he's capable of and his strength even when holding back is beyond WW's.
Your response was horrible. Your double standard and trying to use a story to low ball one character when you argue against them, and then use the same story to low ball another character when you argue against them is diplorable. Actually it's just blatant obvious opinionism.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
I reported. Secondly, He using the STRIKING power of the hammer as he says what he says. And Odin also uses the hammer and kills someone and sites the devastation of the Hammer in his hands.
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I call 'em how I see 'em.
Where do you see him using the striking power of the hammer in that scan? He throws the hammer and it return's breaking the ice.
Exactly what does he say? That nothing can withstand the power of Mjolnir? So what? He also says nothing can withstand his strength in the past and other random shit.
So what? Thor's one shot cosmic barriers that Mjolnir could not escape.
Yes, Mjolnir is a devastation weapon. We don't need Odin to realize that. That doesn't change the fact, that with Mjolnir in hand his striking power is barely above if at all his regular striking power. And it's all relative based on how much strength he puts behind his blows. And even the entire argument that Mjolnir is extremely durable won't fly as Thor has destroyed Uru in the past, of course Mjolnir is above regular Uru.
Originally posted by h1a8
CM is only peers with a casual Superman. It was proven on panel that Superman has mental blocks and only releases them (or part of them) under dire circumstances. A serious Superman is in a class of his own and even exceeds Darkseid in physicality.On panel it was shown that WW is stronger than Hercules, the god who CM has the strength of.
Captain marvel and Supes is in the same league and do you honestly believe cap goes all out when he fight supes, his idol?
I agree, supes is over darkseid physically.
By the way, quan, I can tell that you hate wonder woman.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
👆I call 'em how I see 'em.
Where do you see him using the striking power of the hammer in that scan? He throws the hammer and it return's breaking the ice.
Exactly what does he say? That nothing can withstand the power of Mjolnir? So what? He also says nothing can withstand his strength in the past and other random shit.
So what? Thor's one shot cosmic barriers that Mjolnir could not escape.
Yes, Mjolnir is a devastation weapon. We don't need Odin to realize that. That doesn't change the fact, that with Mjolnir in hand his striking power is barely above if at all his regular striking power. And it's all relative based on how much strength he puts behind his blows. And even the entire argument that Mjolnir is extremely durable won't fly as Thor has destroyed Uru in the past, of course Mjolnir is above regular Uru.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Sorry. The hammer adds striking power. Anyone can see that. It can move at faster than light speeds and that alone pushes it's mass up. Let's see Thor destroy Uru with it's mass increased that much. It adds leverage. And it is nearly indestructible while Thor's fist are not.
Just because you say it's true doesn't mean it's true. So what if it can move at faster than light speeds? Have you ever seen Thor state or show that when he hits things he uses something more than own strength and taps into Mjolnir's own natural speed? Or are you pulling this out of your ass as I think you are?
Thor doesn't use Superman's or Flash's speed up really fast and hit the opponent with increased mass shtick as he does when he hits things with Mjolnir. Stop speculating shit.
When he uses it as a blunt object, it's just that. A blunt object. Don't try and make shit up by thinking it becomes more than that.
Close enough to Mjolnir.
Since we're doing it, I'll give it a try.
Every time Wonder Woman hits someone while she has the lasso, it radiates with it's glowing light, temporarily distracting them so they are easier to tag, and harm. Every time Superman attacks someone with his eyes glowing, the heat simply radiating out of his eyes, softens up the opponent, hence making his blows more effective.