Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I tell you what why dont you give me more examples because I suspect your exaggerating.
1st fight with Wolverine - all Logan did was grabbing his son's neck when he slipped on the blood and SCRATCHING his cheek when was talking. Daken won.
Fight with Deadpool - Wade connected only after Daken lost control. That was a one-trick pony, Akihiro no longer hates Logan 'cause he found out he wasn't responsible for Itsu's death. Daken's beaten DP nonetheless.
Spider-Man fight... Peter missed with impact web and guess who got hit first?
Originally posted by thanos-prime
if he hits and when daredevil starts using pressure points then what?
Pheromone manipulation =/= basic knowledge. Even H.A.M.M.E.R. file is incomplete.
Pressure points? It would take a lot of strikes to put him down. And Daken needs just one...
Originally posted by thanos-prime
im pretty sure his pheromones have not been shown to the extent your using them at
Read more comics with him then.
He did that to Cyber (paranoia, false sense of security, laugh attack), Ares, Thing (recklessness, both)...
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWIt would take 1 pressure point to put him down and it's debatable to think the pheromones could work on him he has resisted stuff like them before
1st fight with Wolverine - all Logan did was grabbing his son's neck when he slipped on the blood and SCRATCHING his cheek when was talking. Daken won.Fight with Deadpool - Wade connected only after Daken lost control. That was a one-trick pony, Akihiro no longer hates Logan 'cause he found out he wasn't responsible for Itsu's death. Daken's beaten DP nonetheless.
Spider-Man fight... Peter missed with impact web and guess who got hit first?
Pheromone manipulation =/= basic knowledge. Even H.A.M.M.E.R. file is incomplete.
Pressure points? It would take a lot of strikes to put him down. And Daken needs just one...
Read more comics with him then.
He did that to Cyber (paranoia, false sense of security, laugh attack), Ares, Thing (recklessness, both)...
Originally posted by thanos-prime
It would take 1 pressure point to put him down and it's debatable to think the pheromones could work on him he has resisted stuff like them before
One pressure point? I wholeheartedly disagree. He has a healing factor.
==Pre-Fatal Attractions==
Wolverine vs. Shingen - did it it take just one nerve strike? Hell no.
Wolverine vs. Blood Shadow - again, it took a lot of them.
==Current lv healing==
Wolverine vs. Elektra - once the sais were removed, Logan was as good as new... proving that if she just poked him with them it would do nothing.
Wolverine vs. Echo - she just made him angry.
DD's not immune to pheromones. Even if he could overcome their effect, it would take time. And Matt doesn't have that kind of luxury in this fight.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWFrom what i have seen the pheromones don't work instantly and DD could take him out before being affected once he sees the wolvie comparison i don't they he would hesitate to break dakens neck
One pressure point? I wholeheartedly disagree. He has a healing factor.[b]==Pre-Fatal Attractions==
Wolverine vs. Shingen - did it it take just one nerve strike? Hell no.
Wolverine vs. Blood Shadow - again, it took a lot of them.
==Current lv healing==
Wolverine vs. Elektra - once the sais were removed, Logan was as good as new... proving that if she just poked him with them it would do nothing.
Wolverine vs. Echo - she just made him angry.
DD's not immune to pheromones. Even if he could overcome their effect, it would take time. And Matt doesn't have that kind of luxury in this fight. [/B]
Originally posted by thanos-prime
From what i have seen the pheromones don't work instantly and DD could take him out before being affected once he sees the wolvie comparison i don't they he would hesitate to break dakens neck
Depends on the opponent. It took one whiff of the pheromones to affect Bullseye. Just saying.
DD isn't faster than him. And he'd have to be much, much faster in order to do what you said in such a short time.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWno he wouldn't Daken isn't the type to avoid an attack two pressure points too both arms then he snaps his neck
Depends on the opponent. It took one whiff of the pheromones to affect Bullseye. Just saying.DD isn't faster than him. And he'd have to be much, much faster in order to do what you said in such a short time.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
no he wouldn't Daken isn't the type to avoid an attack two pressure points too both arms then he snaps his neck
What? Daken isn't the type to avoid an attack? Are you serious?
He dodged attacks from Logan, Deadpool, Thing, Ares, Spider-Man, Cyber (year 1959), Avalanche (UXM 513), Bullseye (UXM 514)... and you're saying he isn't the type to avoid an attack? Really?
He is not just gonna stand there and say "c'mon, hit me with all you got, my HF will just fix it". You confused him with someone else.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWok well they are of similar speed so DD should have no prob hitting him
What? Daken isn't the type to avoid an attack? Are you serious?He dodged attacks from Logan, Deadpool, Thing, Ares, Spider-Man, Cyber (year 1959), Avalanche (UXM 513), Bullseye (UXM 514)... and you're saying he isn't the type to avoid an attack? Really?
He is not just gonna stand there and say "c'mon, hit me with all you got, my HF will just fix it". You confused him with someone else.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1st fight with Wolverine - all Logan did was grabbing his son's neck when he slipped on the blood and SCRATCHING his cheek when was talking. Daken won.Fight with Deadpool - Wade connected only after Daken lost control. That was a one-trick pony, Akihiro no longer hates Logan 'cause he found out he wasn't responsible for Itsu's death. Daken's beaten DP nonetheless.
Spider-Man fight... Peter missed with impact web and guess who got hit first?
I didnt ask you who won. I was asking about examples of people tripping on pheremones. So far you seem to have only two examples.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
ok well they are of similar speed so DD should have no prob hitting him
Akihiro shouldn't have much problem either. Muramasa claws don't need to be backed up by much strength, he needs just to connect. Even a glancing shot would be dangerous and probably fatal, splicing Matt's ribs on the molecular level, for example. Some chi ability to control the bleeding, Elektra-esque? Ain't gonna work. These blades are magic and they block HF.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I didnt ask you who won. I was asking about examples of people tripping on pheremones. So far you seem to have only two examples.
What do you want? I've already listed some more examples in the same post.
About Spider-Man... the pheromones worked on him and SS wouldn't do jack if he used them in the mood-altering manner, which he CAN.
Look at Cyber. Laugh attack? Check. Distorted perception (so Daken could do his vanishing act)? Check. False sense of security? Check. Paranoia? Check. Friggin' heart attack? Check, check, check.
Then you have Ares and Thing acting mindlessly. Bullseye affected by one whiff of pheromones.
Ares (again) and even Venom manipulated into confronting FF.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWAbout Spider-Man... the pheromones worked on him and SS wouldn't do jack if he used them in the mood-altering manner, which he CAN.
Correct.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWLook at Cyber. Laugh attack? Check. Distorted perception (so Daken could do his vanishing act)? Check. False sense of security? Check. Paranoia? Check. Friggin' heart attack? Check, check, check.
Exactly he only vanished once in the whole fight, what else. Serioulsy he was laughing because of the pheremones, what false sense of security. So now you're attributing everything to pheremones? Not sure of the heart attack had anything to do with Pheremones but i'll check.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThen you have Ares and Thing acting mindlessly. Bullseye affected by one whiff of pheromones.
Ares (again) and even Venom manipulated into confronting FF.
Not sure if all of those examples are good because it seems they may have been exposed to pheremones over a period of time.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Exactly he only vanished once in the whole fight, what else. Serioulsy he was laughing because of the pheremones, what false sense of security. So now you're attributing everything to pheremones? Not sure of the heart attack had anything to do with Pheremones but i'll check.
He was a noob then. That happened in year 1959, when he was inexperienced, before Romulus' training.
Yes, he was laughing because of the pheromones. Do I need to quote them or post the scans? I guess I have no credibility in your eyes 'cause I'm a Wolverine fan, the character you hate and despise ahah
*sigh*
(...) I can lull them [people] into a false state of calm, I can elevate their feelings of joy... or I can feed their sense of panic and paranoia. Those who are weak... break.
Heart attack was the result of too much stress and strong emotions. Milo had a weak heart though.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not sure if all of those examples are good because it seems they may have been exposed to pheremones over a period of time.
Ben wasn't. And Venom got convinced pretty quickly.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He was a noob then. That happened in year 1959, when he was inexperienced, before Romulus' training.
Im talking about the fights in Wolverine Origins, they weren't in 1959.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, he was laughing because of the pheromones. Do I need to quote them or post the scans? I guess I have no credibility in your eyes 'cause I'm a Wolverine fan, the character you hate and despise ahah*sigh*
....you know what I just looked at it, and he didn't laugh once. Maybe I read it wrong.
I dont know man your not really doing a good job so far, no offence intended.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
(...) I can lull them [people] into a false state of calm, I can elevate their feelings of joy... or I can feed their sense of panic and paranoia. Those who are weak... break.Heart attack was the result of too much stress and strong emotions. Milo had a weak heart though.
That doesnt matter, none of that was shown in the Origins fights. No he had a hert attack because his heart was weak not because of any pheremones. Good Lord man there was even a page where they were talking about his heart and they were worried he would die before being arrested and while being arrested.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ben wasn't. And Venom got convinced pretty quickly.
I'll have to see for myself.
Im talking about the fights in Wolverine Origins, they weren't in 1959
No he had a hert attack because his heart was weak not because of any pheremones. Good Lord man there was even a page where they were talking about his heart and they were worried he would die before being arrested and while being arrested.
Originally posted by Survivor19
They had several fights in W😮. one of them in flashback, set in 1959.
Im not refering to those fights.
Originally posted by Survivor19
Yes, Cyber had poor heart condition.
Yes, he got a heart attack.
Why did he got it? Because his system was pushed past limits when he started experiencing strong emotions.
The cause of said emotions? Daken's pheromones.
Again it was stated that his heart was so bad he might even die while being arrested he didnt need pheremones to have heart attack, hell it damn well could have been because of the fighting he was doing. You cant assume it was the pheremones when physical actvity can cause a heart attack.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im talking about the fights in Wolverine Origins, they weren't in 1959.
Oh, first fight. It could be argued that he made him paranoid in that fight. "Get' im dad" moment.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
....you know what I just looked at it, and he didn't laugh once. Maybe I read it wrong.I dont know man your not really doing a good job so far, no offence intended.
Dude, if you read all of his appearances in Origins and DW, I wouldn't have to educate you. All you're doing is questioning his abilities, nothing more.
Here. Satisfied?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That doesnt matter, none of that was shown in the Origins fights. No he had a hert attack because his heart was weak not because of any pheremones. Good Lord man there was even a page where they were talking about his heart and they were worried he would die before being arrested and while being arrested.
Originally posted by Survivor19
Yes, Cyber had poor heart condition.
Yes, he got a heart attack.
Why did he got it? Because his system was pushed past limits when he started experiencing strong emotions.
The cause of said emotions? Daken's pheromones.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I'll have to see for myself.
DW #77.
