Originally posted by kgkg
From what he said it sounded like he wasn't even sure. "But [B]probably not out cold."Intent can only take you so far. WWH was intended to be unstoppable - . I really don't see why this would matter even if Superman was K.O'ed it was a bad showing considering what type of punishment he has taken in the past. [/B]
I think it's blatantly obvious that he wasn't knocked out considering the first page of the next issue, KB means stunned (dazed) as in when you deck someone and they're so shocked that you managed to floor them that they can't move. I also don't see an issue with the way it was portrayed artistically since it was meant to be a cliffhanger.
Originally posted by Galan007
meh, the fact that it took both superman and dianna pounding on konvikt [after he had already faced the rest of the JLA] before he even began to weaken, tells me superman alone more than likely couldn't have beat him alone.
Doesn't really matter how the fight would have or did turn out.
That one punch didn't warrant a win. The events preceeding that stunning blow do not matter.
Originally posted by Kris Blazein the post of yours i originally responded to, you applied the instance where thor owned air walker after having just been knocked out by him, to the superman/konvikt instance.
That one punch didn't warrant a win. The events preceeding that stunning blow do not matter.
...and it was mainly to that statement which i replied.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I think it's blatantly obvious that he wasn't knocked out considering the first page of the next issue, KB means stunned (dazed) as in when you deck someone and they're so shocked that you managed to floor them that they can't move. I also don't see an issue with the way it was portrayed artistically since it was meant to be a cliffhanger.
i know that, and you know that, but...
Originally posted by -Pr-that's quite dubious.
it actually serves a purpose, as the konvikt thing is something people love to trot out when they have no other option. it wont stay open forever anyways...
superman didn't defeat him one on one, but when faced in single combat konvikt did tranq him with his knuckles. it leads one to believe that konvokt did have the power at least to do some damage. *shrugs*
but really at the end of the day, this thread, and kubert's politically correct "uncertainty" didn't clear it up at all. it's the uncertainty that keeps the incident alive. (i for one spoke of it like...twice once the issue was new)
That was almost certainly a knock out punch. A knock punch means due to force of the blow the brain has smashed around in the skull and temporarily shorted out the nervous system. Even if you are only out for a a few seconds, you are still out. Now... was Sups out for a boxing 10 count? Who knows, it seems unlikely but he was certainly out. IMO.
Gene Fullmer was still moving around and trying to get up when Sugar Ray "knocked" him out... Superman was more koed than that.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That was almost certainly a knock out punch. A knock punch means due to force of the blow the brain has smashed around in the skull and temporarily shorted out the nervous system. Even if you are only out for a a few seconds, you are still out. Now... was Sups out for a boxing 10 count? Who knows, it seems unlikely but he was certainly out. IMO.Gene Fullmer was still moving around and trying to get up when Sugar Ray "knocked" him out... Superman was more koed than that.
On another note, moments?
And on that note, that is on the other note, when does stunned equate into laying on the floor with your eyes closed, and arms ervrywhere.
Funny thing is the artist depiction clearly seems to be that he was knocked out and even the writers words say "probably" wasn't knocked out. Yet, this is some kinda proof of what exactly? That he might not have been knocked out? So, we are back at square one and people will believe what they want depending on how the view the sequence. Others will have their bias shape that sequence to best fit the outcome they want.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Funny thing is the artist depiction clearly seems to be that he was knocked out and even the writers words say "probably" wasn't knocked out. Yet, this is some kinda proof of what exactly? That he might not have been knocked out? So, we are back at square one and people will believe what they want depending on how the view the sequence. Others will have their bias shape that sequence to best fit the outcome they want.
Originally posted by batdude123
BUT TEH KERT ONLEE SED "PROBABLEE" NOT NOCKED OWT!!!!12@ HE COULDVE STIL BEEEN NOCKED OWT!!!!112@
Originally posted by psycho gundam
that's quite dubious.superman didn't defeat him one on one, but when faced in single combat konvikt did tranq him with his knuckles. it leads one to believe that konvokt did have the power at least to do some damage. *shrugs*
but really at the end of the day, this thread, and kubert's politically correct "uncertainty" didn't clear it up at all. it's the uncertainty that keeps the incident alive. (i for one spoke of it like...twice once the issue was new)
what is?
i never said he did. and nobody is denying that konvikt was a powerful opponent.
busiek erred on the side of him not being knocked out rather than him being knocked out. that's the writer himself.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Funny thing is the artist depiction clearly seems to be that he was knocked out and even the writers words say "probably" wasn't knocked out. Yet, this is some kinda proof of what exactly? That he might not have been knocked out? So, we are back at square one and people will believe what they want depending on how the view the sequence. Others will have their bias shape that sequence to best fit the outcome they want.
like who?