Originally posted by KingD19
It is saying much since when they locked up, Juggs was pushing WWH back, and Hulk admitted that he was winning. Nobody else really hung with him except Sentry.
Juggs was only pushing because of his mystical ability to be unstoppable. That doesn't translate in to strength unless Wonder Woman tries to do what hulk did.
Originally posted by Starscream M
why not? she'll realize quickly that she can't physically harm juggernaut and then she'll just lasso him and throw him to space
Originally posted by BattlehammerI agree it won't be her initial tactic. but don't you think she'll quickly realize that punching juggernaut won't do jack...and switch her strategy.
I just dont see her trying it. CIS is still in effect, her attempting it is unlikely for a majority anyways, when she hardly ever uses such a strategy.
WW is pretty smart.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I just dont see her trying it. CIS is still in effect, her attempting it is unlikely for a majority anyways, when she hardly ever uses such a strategy.
CIS isn't on if the character isn't bound by it, and Diana isn't. If they hit any sort of populated area, she'd try to remove him from battle any way possible...
Originally posted by Starscream M
I agree it won't be her initial tactic. but don't you think she'll quickly realize that punching juggernaut won't do jack...and switch her strategy.WW is pretty smart.
Originally posted by -Pr-
CIS isn't on if the character isn't bound by it, and Diana isn't. If they hit any sort of populated area, she'd try to remove him from battle any way possible...
there in a featureless enviorment.......there no people to get in the way......
Originally posted by Battlehammer
cis is always on. I dont get what you mean. it within her character to try and scrap with him. Not BFR him.there in a featureless enviorment.......there no people to get in the way......
The OP never stated that it was a featureless environment.
CIS is NOT always on. we actually clarified it in the rules.
it is within her character to trade blows with him AT FIRST. She's more than capable of coming up with something else when that doesn't work.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The OP never stated that it was a featureless environment.CIS is NOT always on. we actually clarified it in the rules.
it is within her character to trade blows with him AT FIRST. She's more than capable of coming up with something else when that doesn't work.
really were does it say that. The rules as I was always told were that cis is on unless stated other wises.
She could but would she even be standing by then? I have my doubts.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Never stated it was a city either. I also thought the defualt setting is a featureless enviorment........really were does it say that. The rules as I was always told were that cis is on unless stated other wises.
She could but would she even be standing by then? I have my doubts.
with nothing set, you can use whatever environment you want. even in a featureless environment, though, she'd still try to bfr him eventually.
here:
Originally posted by Raoul
[B]Clarification of CISOk people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.
PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.
CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.
While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.
As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Those four are key.
Example:
If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.
MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.
Examples:
Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.
Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET. [/B]
you assume he's even going to hit her more than a couple of times, and she's more than capable of taking a few shots from cain.
Thanks to be honest I should not even be debating this. I dont read much DC and my knowledge on WW full extent of each of her abilities and personality is limited. I not even sure why I am in this thread I normally refrain from debating character I dont have a great deal of info on. I was bored, but I will be removing my self from the debate do to my lack of knowledge.