Juggernaut vs Thing

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I aint just using Sas fight. What have you been using? An off hand comment about his strength is not more vital then a fight with a similar character?

How about the fact he shown to do more damage and be more durable then a class 100 in the name of she hulk?

What gives Thing the majority here? You really have no brought anything forward for why Thing takes it.

All you have said is Thing wins, or that Thing is closes enough to a class 100 to beat Cain. But neither give a reason, when does being closes to class 100 mean you beat a legitment class 100 who also more durable?

Now Thing could very well win, but you brought less proof forward for your reasoning on the matter then I have.

ok...

I think he's strong enough, durable enough, and more skilled in fighting. that enough for you?

Originally posted by -Pr-
ok...

I think he's strong enough, durable enough, and more skilled in fighting. that enough for you?

He not as Strong, He not as durable. He really not shown such skill enough to make up for such disadvantages. She Hulk almost if not as skilled as Thing and we saw how her and Cain did against his avatar, Cain did much better.

Then we have how each did against Sas. Thing got destroy. Juggernaut took it to him even when he had Hulk Buster armor on.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Based on what?

He not as Strong, He not as durable. He really not shown such skill enough to make up for such disadvantages. She Hulk almost if not as skilled as Thing and we saw how her and Cain did against his avatar, Cain did much better.

Then we have how each did against Sas. Thing got destroy. Juggernaut took it to him even when he had Hulk Buster armor on.

based on reading the comics.

i didn't say he was AS strong or AS durable. i said ENOUGH. she-hulk is not on thing's level. where did you hear that?

are you talking about the comic after she-hulk slept with him?

Originally posted by -Pr-
based on reading the comics.

i didn't say he was AS strong or AS durable. i said ENOUGH. she-hulk is not on thing's level. where did you hear that?

are you talking about the comic after she-hulk slept with him?

Enough? based on what? She-Hulk not on thing level? Really based on what? Hell she shown some of the best pure skill feats of most bricks including thing. She also a legit class 100 something thing can't even say.

yes I am.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Really I have read almost all of both aperances, so I would really like some examples.

Enough? based on what? She-Hulk not on thing level? Really based on what? Hell she shown some of the best pure skill feats of most bricks including thing. She also a legit class 100 something thing can't even say.

yes I am.

the caliber of being Thing has gone up against. The Champion, Gladiator, and so on.

I never said She-hulk wasn't good. I said i simply believe she's not on Thing's level.

So in a comic that centres around Juggernaut, you honestly think they would show She-Hulk doing well? If it was a She-Hulk comic, you don't think the result would have been any different?

Originally posted by -Pr-
the caliber of being Thing has gone up against. The Champion, Gladiator, and so on.

I never said She-hulk wasn't good. I said i simply believe she's not on Thing's level.

So in a comic that centres around Juggernaut, you honestly think they would show She-Hulk doing well? If it was a She-Hulk comic, you don't think the result would have been any different?

You cna believe that, but what are you basing it on. Is it simply bias? or on a certain event or events.

so your going to dismiss a comic becuase juggernaut was the main character? so are we to dismiss spiderman own comics as evdiences now? becuases he the centeral figure or how about superman or any other number of characters. No I dont think it would have been. Wolverine done better then she hulk in a she hulk comic.

Paul, what kind of crazy stuff are you on about now? She Hulk would trash Ben.

without the gem he is powerless

And here we go again...
He is not powerless without gem. He is just fine. He doesn't needs to carry it around or something.
His power level depends on another things. Though, of course it would be diminished if gem was used to grant Cyttorak's enchantments to someone else...
So, why does everyone...
Aha! I got it! This thread is about Ultimate Juggernaut! Now it all makes sense, and he loses.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
She Hulk beat Champion. Thing got stomp by champion in his own style of style of fighting. Gladiator? which issue was that? Taking on high level characters means very little if you getting stomp by them.

You cna believe that, but what are you basing it on. Is it simply bias? or on a certain event or events.

so your going to dismiss a comic becuase juggernaut was the main character? so are we to dismiss spiderman own comics as evdiences now? becuases he the centeral figure or how about superman or any other number of characters. No I dont think it would have been. Wolverine done better then she hulk in a she hulk comic.

i know She Hulk beat Champion. This match isn't Thing v She-Hulk.

Bias? Please. She-Hulk is one of my favourite characters. She's even on my roster in MUA.

Don't throw words like "bias" around so lightly.

Oh good lord. Dude. Seriously. I am not saying that at all. i am simply saying that comic was a low showing for She-Hulk, because she does much better in her own books.

She'd beat depowered Juggy, and she'd beat Thing, imo.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Paul, what kind of crazy stuff are you on about now? She Hulk would trash Ben.

i never said she wouldn't beat him in a fight. jeez...

Originally posted by manx422
he is a mutant, isn't he?

No he's a freaking human. You just put Thing vs an old man. 😐

Originally posted by -Pr-
i know She Hulk beat Champion. This match isn't Thing v She-Hulk.

Bias? Please. She-Hulk is one of my favourite characters. She's even on my roster in MUA.

Don't throw words like "bias" around so lightly.

Oh good lord. Dude. Seriously. I am not saying that at all. i am simply saying that comic was a low showing for She-Hulk, because she does much better in her own books.

She'd beat depowered Juggy, and she'd beat Thing, imo.

i never said she wouldn't beat him in a fight. jeez...

I was asking, not saying you were. I personally like Thing better my self.

bias so lightly? I asked a question, was not ment to be insulting which is why I worder it so.

Thats how it came out, go re read what you said that just how it sounded. Your saying it a low showing for she-hulk? or maybe it was spot on? she been depicted less impressive in her very own comics before.

I still want to know why Thing wins. Yet to so a solid reason back by evidence or event that could not be counter.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I know, I was not certain who you were referring to. In direct comparisons between individual Juggernaut and Thing, Juggernauts faired better, The examples you brought forth Thing got beat down by one individual which hardly gives him the ability to beat Juggernaut and I not even sure he ever even fought the other example you brought forth and I am assuming I right sinces you did not comment on it further in this post.

I was asking, not saying you were. I personally like Thing better my self.

bias so lightly? I asked a question, was not ment to be insulting which is why I worder it so.

Thats how it came out, go re read what you said that just how it sounded. Your saying it a low showing for she-hulk? or maybe it was spot on? she been depicted less impressive in her very own comics before.

I still want to know why Thing wins. Yet to so a solid reason back by evidence or event that could not be counter.

Given her record as the years have gone by, she should have done much better against the avatar than Cain did, and yet she didn't. My point was that if it had been her own book, i could see the fight going much differently.

I said why i thought he'd win. just because it's not enough for you doesn't mean it's not good enough for me... shrug

Originally posted by manx422
Juggernaut vs Thing
juggy does not has his precious plot device gem

How is the Gem of Cyttorak a plot device item anyway? It's ok to hate the character, but come on dude.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Given her record as the years have gone by, she should have done much better against the avatar than Cain did, and yet she didn't. My point was that if it had been her own book, i could see the fight going much differently.

I said why i thought he'd win. just because it's not enough for you doesn't mean it's not good enough for me... shrug

Not really cain even depowered was shown as a powerful brick. Hell his encounters with Sas back this up. Sas one of the more powerful Brick and cain was bashing his faces in. She-Hulk not faiirng as well is hardly a low showing. In her own book she was dropepd several times by wendigo while wolverine kept on fighting. It being or not being her book would not have effected how she was displayed and really is not a valid excuse.

Except youve really given nothing at all. Ive brought dirrect comparison to the table, and all uve said is his skill will make him win......and even that I had a counter for.....anyone can think what they want does not make them right or even closes to it. look at masterbruces career on the boards prove this lol.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really cain even depowered was shown as a powerful brick. Hell his encounters with Sas back this up. Sas one of the more powerful Brick and cain was bashing his faces in. She-Hulk not faiirng as well is hardly a low showing. In her own book she was dropepd several times by wendigo while wolverine kept on fighting. It being or not being her book would not have effected how she was displayed and really is not a valid excuse.

Except youve really given nothing at all. Ive brought dirrect comparison to the table, and all uve said is his skill will make him win......and even that I had a counter for.....anyone can think what they want does not make them right or even closes to it. look at masterbruces career on the boards prove this lol.

wolverine is different. that's like saying batman doing better than superman in his own comic means that batman is somehow superior. wolverine, like batman, is the guest star everyone defers to. it happens to a few other characters too.

it's valid imo.

i did give you reasons. just because you don't like them doesn't mean i have to go out of my way to satisfy your reasoning. i didn't find your counter to be satisfactory, because it didn't change my mind.

you could very well apply the same logic to your argument...

Originally posted by -Pr-
wolverine is different. that's like saying batman doing better than superman in his own comic means that batman is somehow superior. wolverine, like batman, is the guest star everyone defers to. it happens to a few other characters too.

it's valid imo.

i did give you reasons. just because you don't like them doesn't mean i have to go out of my way to satisfy your reasoning. i didn't find your counter to be satisfactory, because it didn't change my mind.

you could very well apply the same logic to your argument...

Your stubborn, you dident even have counters or even arguements. all you said was Thing wins through skill with out giving any evdiences and ignoring or making excuses for what I brought forth. Sas aint as skill as Thing but he thrashed him twices. Juggs took Sas with Hulk Buster armor on plus vendictor. Then he took Sas later and beat him along with taking on other like puck at the time.

What gives you the believe Thing wins......asside from skill which again you have yet to give a valid reason.

Not really actaully. I given reason, events, diretc comparision. Your arguement has been ben mroe skilled......really really......come on now. seem like crap to be. You have not even given an event or anything for your reasoning....hell the only event you brought forth was an off hand comment about Jugg strength........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
more or less seems like double standards to me and excuses. It really not valid, your saying that becuases it not her comic it not usable evidence pritty much and that she was down graded for the issue, which could be said for any character in another comic. seems like double standards.

Your stubborn, you dident even have counters or even arguements. all you said was Thing wins through skill with out giving any evdiences and ignoring or making excuses for what I brought forth. Sas aint as skill as Thing but he thrashed him twices. Juggs took Sas with Hulk Buster armor on plus vendictor. Then he took Sas later and beat him along with taking on other like puck at the time.

What gives you the believe Thing wins......asside from skill which again you have yet to give a valid reason.

Not really actaully. I given reason, events, diretc comparision. Your arguement has been ben mroe skilled......really really......come on now. seem like crap to be. You have not even given an event or anything for your reasoning....hell the only event you brought forth was an off hand comment about Jugg strength........

it's neither. and that's not what i'm saying.

why do i have to make counters to you in particular? i gave my opinion. you asked me why, and i told you why.

i already told you. imo, he's strong enough, durable enough, skilled enough to beat cain, based on the quality of opponent he's faced in the past. if that's not enough for you, then stop asking me for more.

in your opinion.

I dont even have a problem about what you think, it the why. It seems more bias then anything. Your not really making an arguement for Ben. actaully uve made zero arguements really aside form Ben being more skilled. Then you have yet to bring an event or reason for it. You could event be right, but your arguements seem lazy, and truthfully no matter what I bring forth you will ignore it, is the vibe I am getting. Seems like I could argue your side better........and I might even some Juggernaut fanboys come on here.

Thing wins.

Cain was still powerful, durable, and strong even depowered but not so much that Thing couldn't take him down.

For those high showings of his where he could give as good as he got, the slip side he would get gored by Rhino, beaten to pulp by the wreaking crew, yadda, yadda.

The point is Thing's durability is still great, when comes to this level bricks his fighting experience and toughness are almost second to none.

He would beat Cain on H2H alone.

Cain could take wins but I'd give the majority to Thing. More used to fighting this way on this level, I would argue just as if not more durable then Cain was at this level, and if it came down to a battle of wills, Thing's heart would give him the win against this Cain's Rage. Why because this version of Juggernaut very much seemed to have a muzzle put on him.