captain atom vs beta ray bill

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
tell me how is that going to help Cap win a fight?

its like putting franklin richards against a guy with a gun... it dont matter about his potential and that he carries a ball with him a bullet will still kill him and he is just as frail as any other human.

I never said him creating a universe would make it an automatic win.

Originally posted by Warlord
Why he hasn't performed such a feat again if he is capable to do so then.
Let's not go that far and put Atom on an abstaract power level cause he's not

Him standing up to Monarch, Void, and Nekron make him high up there. He's not Galactus level in importance, but you don't have to be.

but he is in power?

Abstract level in power? Possibly. Not many top tier or HERALDS for that matter can casually create a pocket universe. Unless I'm forgetting someone.

He's basically the avatar of the quantum field, which is like Flash as the avatar of The Speed Force. Maybe a notch below abstract level.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
tell me how is that going to help Cap win a fight?

its like putting franklin richards against a guy with a gun... it dont matter about his potential and that he carries a ball with him a bullet will still kill him and he is just as frail as any other human.

True, but Cap Atom is already at near Superman levels physically in addition to his energy and matter manipulation, so the analogy, although informative, isn't necessarily accurate.

He actually went toe to toe with Superman and Majestic before.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
True, but Cap Atom is already at near Superman levels physically in addition to his energy and matter manipulation, so the analogy, although informative, isn't necessarily accurate.

ok end of debate...

You are sticking to an instance that took part once and it was decades ago, while he has constantly having trouble fighting high tiers like marry marvel major force etc...
If you think that guy is just below abstract then we shouldn't further debate since he is up to a character like Bill.

I just think you're overestimating him though

Originally posted by Warlord
ok end of debate...

You are sticking to an instance that took part once and it was decades ago, while he has constantly having trouble fighting high tiers like marry marvel major force etc...
If you think that guy is just below abstract then we shouldn't further debate since he is up to a character like Bill.

I just think you're overestimating him though

Low feats, which he has made up for in the past couple years, IMO. Now he's immune to magic, which will help a lot.

low feats?

his whole career with the JLA was going against high tiers at best.
How can all those fights be low feats?

A guy like the one you're describing should be able to one-shoot Superman or Majestic which was never the case through the years...

ah anyway we can just dissagree

Major Force isn't even a low feat. He did take on multiple JLA members and Cap has gone up against top tiers regularly. I've mentioned them before.

major force was always a jobber to me and low mid level meta.. i remember he was getting beat by a rookie kyle who only had the ring for a few weeks.

sure buddy but stalemating a top tier is hardly an abstract level power feat.
I never doubted CA is a top tier, I just doubt his "universe creating" powers

He wasn't always a jobber, no and in his recent showings, he did take on Cap and brought him in, IIRC.

Originally posted by Warlord
sure buddy but stalemating a top tier is hardly an abstract level power feat.
I never doubted CA is a top tier, I just doubt his "universe creating" powers

First of all, I'm not basing this fight off of Cap being abstract level. I was saying his POTENTIAL was. You brought up BRB simply absorbing Cap's powers, but the reason I brought up the universe bit, was because Cap had limitless energy at his disposal, which would make Bill fail at absorbing his energy.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
major force was always a jobber to me and low mid level meta.. i remember he was getting beat by a rookie kyle who only had the ring for a few weeks.

A rookie Hal, who had just received his ring survived a nuclear explosion at point blank range. GL rookies have had some impressive showing before.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
First of all, I'm not basing this fight off of Cap being abstract level. I was saying his POTENTIAL was. You brought up BRB simply absorbing Cap's powers, but the reason I brought up the universe bit, was because Cap had limitless energy at his disposal, which would make Bill fail at absorbing his energy.

just to clarify...I'm not saying Bill will DRAIN cap of his energy. I'm saying he can ABSORB anything cap throws at him.

You suggest Cap can overload stormbreaker couse Cap had once created a pocet universe while the hammers don't seem to have a limmit when absorbing energy. Plus Cap has never produced universe creating/destryoing level energy blasts in a fight and Thro's hammer was able to absorb the null bomb's (or whatever the name was) energies without overloading.

So again: Bill can absorb (not darin) Cap's blasts
Cap can do the same to Bill
The fight will go to h2h
Bill has an advantage there
Bill wins
All IMO of course

Originally posted by Lunacyde
A rookie Hal, who had just received his ring survived a nuclear explosion at point blank range. GL rookies have had some impressive showing before.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
green lantern stabbed him. 😐 damaging his containment suit.. he go boom.. seems major force has no business fighting any top tier heroes or villains.. same with bombshell..

I can mostly agree with that. I'm just saying losing to a rookie Kyle is THAT much of a low showing.

losing to any rookie is a no showing minus the old school comics with Hal..

Kyle was getting his @$$ handed to him by know lvl metas and barely surviving guys like sonar and whatnot.. his rogue gallery and villains started very low like the guy who had a robotic battle suit that shot electricity..

guys barely clearing the low meta power bracket