A good but hopeless cause

ah, the paradox of anarchy.

3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.

I, as you can probably tell from my sig, believe that the established government has rotted and must be overturned so that a new and fresh libertarian government can arise. (second law of thermodynamics)

Libertarians want to take power away from government and give that power to giant corporations. "Freedom" for everyone is a sham, humans are heirarchical by nature so if you take government out of the picture corporations will step in to fill the void.

If you think government is oppressive and overbearing just imagine a world ruled by corporate policy (it's coming to that anyway) where there is no recourse. At least government is supposed to be accountable to the voters in a democratic society.

America is already pretty much a Leptacracy (basically, you vote with your money, in every sense of the word, and more money=more say).

The real democracies are mostly in the socialist-democracies in Europe imo.

Originally posted by King Kandy
America is already pretty much a Leptacracy (basically, you vote with your money, in every sense of the word, and more money=more say).

You do it through lobbyists.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Libertarians want to take power away from government and give that power to giant corporations. "Freedom" for everyone is a sham, humans are heirarchical by nature so if you take government out of the picture corporations will step in to fill the void.

If you think government is oppressive and overbearing just imagine a world ruled by corporate policy (it's coming to that anyway) where there is no recourse. At least government is supposed to be accountable to the voters in a democratic society.

On the other hand, you are probably right. There's what 5% libertarian at most, the rest mostly Republican and Democrats and we can see that we live in this perfect world where the government doesn't **** us up the butt and where it doesn't give immense powers to giant corporations to **** us up the butt as well. You are right. This all would change if libertarians were in charge.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is nonsense. Libertarians want to take some of the biggest powers corporations now have away from them.

What Libertarians want to do and what their policies would clearly in real life do are totally different things. If I want to cure someone with cancer (America) but suggest doing so by shooting that person a few times (trying modern Libertarianism) the defense that "dude, no I'm totally trying to help" is moronic.

Anyway, people seem that the US is libertarian, all these complaints are the result of that plus 200 some years of legislative gunk (and angsty teenagers who know that all the worlds problems stem from them not getting whatever they want).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What Libertarians want to do and what their policies would clearly in real life do are totally different things. If I want to cure someone with cancer (America) but suggest doing so by shooting that person a few times (trying modern Libertarianism) the defense that "dude, no I'm totally trying to help" is moronic.

Anyway, people seem that the US is libertarian, all these complaints are the result of that plus 200 some years of legislative gunk (and angsty teenagers who know that all the worlds problems stem from them not getting whatever they want).

That's a different issue altogether though, the possibility of which should be addressed, but it is unrelated to my point in reaction to the post I quoted.

Originally posted by One Free Man
how do you figure? I've never been given the opportunity to buy more votes.

This explains a lot

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376

You might also want to read the book "No Logo" by Naomi Klein, it's a real eye opener.

/sigh

or don't read things by Naomi Klein

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
This explains a lot

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376

You might also want to read the book "No Logo" by Naomi Klein, it's a real eye opener.

Sounds like the current definition of "conservatives" and not "neoliberalism" to me.

you don't read enough socialist circle jerk then