that's my opinion.
Eh, i think it's necessary measure. I mean, i don't mean to sound cold but think about it. But if someone has committed crimes so severe they would other be at least serving life in prison for which normal people would have to pay to feed them, clean them etc. People would be Taxed to pay for these people, which i think would build up to a noticable amount given time. I don't think people should have to pay for them, that's all.
Secondly I'm sorry but like multiple murderers and series rapists should be killed, because there's no reason to let them live after certain acts in my opinion.
Besides we put down dogs that are considered dangerous.
(Long post because i's bored =( )
We don't have any room for you, so you'll have to die!
I never liked that argument...
A jury system and capital punishment? Ha! I might support Capital Punishment if it weren't for a few things:
1. If the U.S. court systems weren't a fvcking joke, i.e. it's more important if the prosecution/defense team wins rather than to find the truth. Someone's life is on the line and these a**holes treat it as a game of whoever can win over the judge's/jury's sympathy first is the victor. Let's face the facts, folks.
2. Killing someone and then calling it "Justice", "God's work", or any other pretentious crap. Be honest, that criminal scumbag raped and killed your 8 year old daughter, you're more concerned with revenge than justice so don't try and disguise the former as the latter. I'm so tired of hearing "Now he's going to have to answer to Jayzus!"....
3. Using tax money to carry out capital punishments. Not everyone agrees with what the state/government does with our money, but we all pay regardless. If there were ever an exception to that rule, it should be capital punishment since it's one of the most extreme acts anyone can undertake and not everyone should have to pay to support it. You say "if someone kills someone, shouldn't the same thing happen to them?" No, because that makes murderers out of all of us. And I don't appreciate the state doing it in my name.
Also, being told the exact date that you are going to get executed falls under "cruel and unusual punishment". I'm sorry, but that's torture for the inmate. If a serial killer bagged me and proceded to torture me -- and then told you that I am going to die at this certain day -- I'd be pretty damn scared.
Short version: I do not support the current capital punishment system. It also continually appalls me how many people tend to follow the flock just because something is largely agreed with.
Originally posted by Eon Blue
2. Killing someone and then calling it "Justice", "God's work", or any other pretentious crap. Be honest, that criminal scumbag raped and killed your 8 year old daughter, you're more concerned with revenge than justice so don't try and disguise the former as the latter. I'm so tired of hearing "Now he's going to have to answer to Jayzus!"....
I like your post though i do disagree, but i do just want to say something if i may.
And that is, Revenge is not Justice, i agree with that.
But i also think that sometimes people do things where you cannot get justice. There is nothing you could do to that person that would even come close to such a thing. And so in my opinion when that happens, that is when i think, well there's nothing you can do for what you have done and that's all there is to it. Thus that's when i feel the death sentence is appropriate.
That aside if the justice system was about revenge surely the best thing to do would be to restrain the criminal and leave him alone with his/her victims loved ones. That would be revenge. But revenge can truly give you nothing but more pain.
I like your post though i do disagree, but i do just want to say something if i may.
Thank you.
But i also think that sometimes people do things where you cannot get justice.
Granted. However, we'd be fools to think that our system is 100% devoid of any fallacies.
There is nothing you could do to that person that would even come close to such a thing. And so in my opinion when that happens, that is when i think, well there's nothing you can do for what you have done and that's all there is to it. Thus that's when i feel the death sentence is appropriate.
So basically what you're saying is: We can try to exact and seize our so called justice, but when we can do no more, we should just shoot them like a rabid dog? That seems like a rather lazy way of doing things; executions give society the unmistakable message that human life no longer deserves respect when it is useful to take it and that homicide is legitimate when deemed justified by pragmatic concerns.
That aside if the justice system was about revenge surely the best thing to do would be to restrain the criminal and leave him alone with his/her victims loved ones. That would be revenge. But revenge can truly give you nothing but more pain.
Sometimes we have to make the indecent 'look' decent. Executions are spectacles that revel in displaying the permissibility of killing an individual to show that further killing will solve problems. Capital punishment epitomizes the tragic inefficacy and brutality of the resort to violence rather than reasons for the solution of difficult social problems.
"Why did Mr. Jones commit this atrocious and heinous act of murder?"
"WHO CARES? LET'S HANG THE ****ER, HE KILLED MY DAUGHTER!"
To top it all off, capital punishment does not deter crime in any way, shape or form, furthering my point of the ineffectiveness that it serves.
Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
YouTube videothat's my opinion.
You DO realize that what you posted was a joke video, right? If not...
Originally posted by Eon Blue
Thank you.Granted. However, we'd be fools to think that our system is 100% devoid of any fallacies.
So basically what you're saying is: We can try to exact and seize our so called justice, but when we can do no more, we should just shoot them like a rabid dog? That seems like a rather lazy way of doing things; executions give society the unmistakable message that human life no longer deserves respect when it is useful to take it and that homicide is legitimate when deemed justified by pragmatic concerns.
Sometimes we have to make the indecent 'look' decent. Executions are spectacles that revel in displaying the permissibility of killing an individual to show that further killing will solve problems. Capital punishment epitomizes the tragic inefficacy and brutality of the resort to violence rather than reasons for the solution of difficult social problems.
"Why did Mr. Jones commit this atrocious and heinous act of murder?"
"WHO CARES? LET'S HANG THE ****ER, HE KILLED MY DAUGHTER!"
To top it all off, capital punishment does not deter crime in any way, shape or form, furthering my point of the ineffectiveness that it serves.
I see what you're saying, but i disagree. If that makes sense.
As i see it, i don't think many people are stupid enough to think there is even a remove chance that our system is 100% devoid of any fallacies. But that's not the point.
This would just be as i see it. But i think that when a person commits crimes enough to warrant a death sentence, i have a difficult time understanding how they are any better than a 'Rabid dog' in this instance.
If a person earns the death sentence, then they have been deemed so dangerous to society that it is decided they should be killed. Like you would put down a dog that is too damaged to be taught otherwise. Sometimes you can't bring someone back from the way they have gone. So if psychological help wouldn't help that person what else would you suggest? They live out their life in prison? Where they could be a threat to people in prison whose crimes are not so severe. Make another prison just for them? for every state? Which would have to be maintained, they would have to be fed, and clothed. The ultimate point would be why? Why go so far to keep these people locked away. Killing them is probably more humane than locking someone up until the end of their days. It's debatable at least, everyone will have their own opinion. While killing them is cheaper for everyone it is the more logical choice. Especially since people don't want to pay for the man who killed his wife, or the woman that murdered some kids to live.
While your post i understand and agree with to an extent. This i feel isn't a part of the point.
I think if someone is going to commit a crime they would be focused on not getting caught, not the punishments if they do.
Punishments for crimes are their first and foremost to protect society from the criminals. It's only extra if it can deter crime.
Originally posted by Eon BlueYes, I understand. if the thread starter wanted serious people to seriously debate over this serious issue, he would have but it in general.
You DO realize that what you posted was a joke video, right? If not...
As it is, i'm going to joke about it.
May the punishment fit the crime.
Rapers should be drowned in a vat of sperm while being raped. Only fair 😄
Vehicular Man slaughterers should be used as real human analogue test dummies.
Psychopathic killers should be used in all sorts of hilarious physics experiments. What does happen to the human body when fired out of a cannon at the speed of sound?
And finally, regular boring murderers should be piled in the grand canyon until its filled with bleached bones and a sign that says "pit of boring people who killed other boring people in conventional ways--Formerly known as the "grand canyon"