One-world Government/One-world Currency?

Originally posted by ushomefree
VeriChip

And be sure to check out some of the "quick links" located on the site.

Oh, no a piece of technology that you only use voluntarily and is based on a need for it that some people have already expressed. How will we save our selves from people who can only be stopped by the words "gee, that's clever but no thanks"?

Oh gods the Horror. I see the creeping horror come. Oh God. OH GOD!!! Please I'd rather use cash *gasp* And it retreats.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
They operate on logic and reason alone, not faith.

Oh the shame...trying to seperate ourselves from our reasoning.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Furthermore, there can be no Atheists during that time.

Then please tell ush that as long as there are athiests, he's gonna be ok.

Actually, if everyone has to believe in the antichrist

Originally posted by ushomefree
Your absolutely right! Vote 'em out! But since the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913, our monetary system is even corrupt now. The Federal Reserve needs to sit on the bench as well.

My assessment is that the only thing that has been corrupted is your mind. Its been whipped up into paranoia by a self-reinforcing delusion.

Let me point out that corruption was a problem before Jesus...and after. Its not going away.

There were economies before Jesus...everyone was involved in them. My hand gets stamped when I go into a club...this sort of procedure was around BEFORE Christ and after.

Here is some regurgitated reading for you:

Originally posted by Robert C. Fuller
The term Antichrist barely appears in scripture. Only two minor
epistles, 1 John and 2 John, actually use the term, and its meaning
even there is fairly obscure.

Christians have been remarkably unwilling to let biblically prophesied "end times" come to pass on their own. Instead, for nearly two thousand years they have anticipated the final phase of history by trying to identify or name the Antichrist in advance of the actual world calamities that would reveal his identity beyond doubt. In the early days of the church, first Emperor Nero and then Caligula were identified as the ultimate enemy of Christ. Subsequent centuries have witnessed a parade of candidates for this infamous designation: whereas many Protestants have identified the pope as the Antichrist, others have looked to political figures such as Napoleon Bonaparte, Adolf Hitler, Henry Kissinger, Mikhail Gorbachev, and, most recently, Saddam Hussein.
Fuller, Robert C. Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession. Oxford University Press, 1995

Can I add an Obama/Federal Reserve? (None of these things wer considered such until they ran for president or the economy collapsed.

Originally posted by Robert C. Fuller
Throughout their nation's history, they have suspected that those who oppose the American way must be in league with the Antichrist's confederation of evil. Their attempts to "name the Antichrist" consequently reveal much about their culture's latent hopes and fears. Americans in the colonial era, for example, were certain that the Antichrist held special power over the Native Ameri- cans, whose pagan ways and prior ownership of the land threatened the successful completion of their efforts to build a new Zion in the west, Later in the colonial era, when nationalist sentiment grew stronger, it became clear that both the church and the king of England wielded the Antichrist's tyrannical power and so must be opposed at all costs.

Over the last two hundred years, the Antichrist has been repeatedly identified with such "threats" as modernism, Roman Catholicism, Jews, socialism, and the Soviet Union. Today, fundamentalist Christian writers see the Antichrist in such enemies as the Muslim world, feminism, rock music, and secular humanism. The threat of the Antichrist's imminent takeover of the world's economy has also been traced to the formation of the European Economic Community, the Susan B. Anthony dollar, the fiber optics used in our television sets, and the introduction of universal product codes. In and through such efforts to name the Antichrist, there is an intriguing story of how many Americans go about establish- ing the symbolic boundaries that separate all that is holy and good from the powers of chaos that continually threaten to engulf them.

The history of Americans' obsession with naming the Antichrist draws attention to their almost limitless capacity for mythologizing life. With the help of biblical metaphors, many Americans are able to mythologize life by "seeing" that there are deeper powers at work behind the surface appearance of worldly events. Everyday life is viewed against a cosmic background in which the forces of good are continually embattled by the forces of evil. The problems and confusions that Americans face consequently can never be reduced to political, social, or economic causes. Instead, these are guerrilla tactics employed by Satan in his never-ending war against the people of God.

Fuller, Robert C. Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession. Oxford University Press, 1995

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Oh, no a piece of technology that you only use voluntarily and is based on a need for it that some people have already expressed. How will we save our selves from people who can only be stopped by the words "gee, that's clever but no thanks"?

Oh gods the Horror. I see the creeping horror come. Oh God. OH GOD!!! Please I'd rather use cash *gasp* And it retreats.

Get a hold of yourself. By use of the hyperlink connected to VeriChip's website, I was demonstrating that such technology exists that "could" be used in the manner prescribed in the Bible. It is not a far stretch to consider.

Originally posted by Robert C. Fuller

The term Antichrist barely appears in scripture. Only two minor epistles, 1 John and 2 John, actually use the term, and its meaning even there is fairly obscure.

Christians have been remarkably unwilling to let biblically prophesied "end times" come to pass on their own. Instead, for nearly two thousand years they have anticipated the final phase of history by trying to identify or name the Antichrist in advance of the actual world calamities that would reveal his identity beyond doubt. In the early days of the church, first Emperor Nero and then Caligula were identified as the ultimate enemy of Christ. Subsequent centuries have witnessed a parade of candidates for this infamous designation: whereas many Protestants have identified the pope as the Antichrist, others have looked to political figures such as Napoleon Bonaparte, Adolf Hitler, Henry Kissinger, Mikhail Gorbachev, and, most recently, Saddam Hussein.

Fuller, Robert C. Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession. Oxford University Press, 1995

This is true; many Christians have made predictions as to the identity of the anti-Christ. I think it is a waisted effort, and many more Christians feel the same. In fact, most Christians do not care. Mr. Fuller should use more caution in his work. He is stereotyping.

Originally posted by Robert C. Fuller

Throughout their nation's history, they have suspected that those who oppose the American way must be in league with the Antichrist's confederation of evil. Their attempts to "name the Antichrist" consequently reveal much about their culture's latent hopes and fears. Americans in the colonial era, for example, were certain that the Antichrist held special power over the Native Ameri- cans, whose pagan ways and prior ownership of the land threatened the successful completion of their efforts to build a new Zion in the west, Later in the colonial era, when nationalist sentiment grew stronger, it became clear that both the church and the king of England wielded the Antichrist's tyrannical power and so must be opposed at all costs.

Over the last two hundred years, the Antichrist has been repeatedly identified with such "threats" as modernism, Roman Catholicism, Jews, socialism, and the Soviet Union. Today, fundamentalist Christian writers see the Antichrist in such enemies as the Muslim world, feminism, rock music, and secular humanism. The threat of the Antichrist's imminent takeover of the world's economy has also been traced to the formation of the European Economic Community, the Susan B. Anthony dollar, the fiber optics used in our television sets, and the introduction of universal product codes. In and through such efforts to name the Antichrist, there is an intriguing story of how many Americans go about establish- ing the symbolic boundaries that separate all that is holy and good from the powers of chaos that continually threaten to engulf them.

The history of Americans' obsession with naming the Antichrist draws attention to their almost limitless capacity for mythologizing life. With the help of biblical metaphors, many Americans are able to mythologize life by "seeing" that there are deeper powers at work behind the surface appearance of worldly events. Everyday life is viewed against a cosmic background in which the forces of good are continually embattled by the forces of evil. The problems and confusions that Americans face consequently can never be reduced to political, social, or economic causes. Instead, these are guerrilla tactics employed by Satan in his never-ending war against the people of God.

Fuller, Robert C. Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession. Oxford University Press, 1995

Again, it is true, that a number of Christians view the world in this manner, but not all. It is not fair to stereotype. I honestly don't know of any Christian that can be contributed to this article, but allow me to regress for a moment: where did the topic of the anti-Christ come up. Was it the Scripture I posted (Rev. 13:16-17) or a comment someone made? I'm not trying to be jovial. I'm just wondering.

I dont see how you can seperate the Christian view of the apocalypse from the antichrist?

Your fears of verichip or RFID tags are no different that previous generations of Christian's fears of fiberoptics, nukes, the internet.

Emil Gaverluk, an evangelical, wrote a book in the 1970s claiming that the anticrhist was using television sets to monitor everyone in the world, even when they are off. He also aregued that the creaton of the "supercomputer" woud be "the Beast" that would enforce a socialism on the world and track everythign about every individual person.

This world-economy/world-government are what you are talking about no?

All of this has been said before, about everything.

...and we all know your aversion to "sterotyping"

Originally posted by ushomefree
VeriChip

And be sure to check out some of the "quick links" located on the site.

I'm sorry but

Originally posted by ushomefree
the US government and governments around the world openly sponsoring security and economic solutions via a micro-chip (placed in the hand and/or forehead of occupants)?

Is not the same as "they could theoretically do it but have shown no intention to".

Originally posted by ushomefree
Get a hold of yourself. By use of the hyperlink connected to VeriChip's website, I was demonstrating that such technology exists that "could" be used in the manner prescribed in the Bible. It is not a far stretch to consider.

You stated that they were actively planning to implement this and that their site revealed this intention. It would have been a sin not to mock your blithering idiocy.

Originally posted by ushomefree
This is true; many Christians have made predictions as to the identity of the anti-Christ. I think it is a waisted effort, and many more Christians feel the same. In fact, most Christians do not care. Mr. Fuller should use more caution in his work. He is stereotyping.

Again, it is true, that a number of Christians view the world in this manner, but not all. It is not fair to stereotype. I honestly don't know of any Christian that can be contributed to this article, but allow me to regress for a moment: where did the topic of the anti-Christ come up. Was it the Scripture I posted (Rev. 13:16-17) or a comment someone made? I'm not trying to be jovial. I'm just wondering.

It was my impression of the underlying direction of your thread. Isn't that ultimately what you are getting too?

For all to read:

My view of a one-world government/currency is not the product of biblical scripture; on the contrary, is it based on history. All governments since the beginning of time have down spiraled into corruption, and their citizens suffer. Power and money virtually guarantee this! I'm hard pressed to understand why certain members of this forum, think a one-world government/currency would prove beneficial. Governments, since the beginning of time, have been the backbone of chaos in the world -- the relentless pursuit of power and money. It reminds me of a quote from the movie Casino: "It's the last time we'd ever be given anything that f-----g valuable again. In the end... we f----d it all up!"

But where does my ability to grasp and consider biblical prophecy within history derive from? The answer: current events and how current events effect the future! When biblical passages speak of a one-world government/currency, that is one thing. That and of itself, is totally irrelevant. But when members of foreign governments (to include the United States) speak of one-world governments/currencies, I am cautioned. Marshaling such entanglements as mere coincidence, carries zero explanatory power. That is my opinion!

With all in mind, please understand, that I do not sleep under my bed at night, and I do not endorse world chaos by tomorrow morning (before you've had a chance to enjoy a cup of coffee) over microchip technology or Satan peering through television screens! All I'm saying is this: with all transpiring in the world today, it seems that the Bible might have something of significance to warn mankind of imminent doom.

"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:16-17).

I have caught much flack over the passages above, but to defend my position, I posted relevant websites and/or videos (that contain mainstream news coverage) proving that such technology exists. In the wrong hands -- a world government -- such technology can (and will) be used to gain power; but let's not run for the hills just yet.

If members of this forum cannot (at least) respect my opinion and understand where I am coming from, that is your choice. No one can take that away from you, but please, do not insult me. It's completely and utterly unwarranted.

Posting a link is not a defense.

Having an opinon does not mean its valid.

Attacking your opinon is not attacking you.

Originally posted by ushomefree
I have caught much flack over the passages above, but to defend my position, I posted relevant websites and/or videos (that contain mainstream news coverage) proving that such technology exists. In the wrong hands -- a world government -- such technology can (and will) be used to gain power; but let's not run for the hills just yet.

Originally posted by ushomefree
For all to read:

My view of a one-world government/currency is not the product of biblical scripture; on the contrary, is it based on history. All governments since the beginning of time have down spiraled into corruption, and their citizens suffer. Power and money virtually guarantee this! I'm hard pressed to understand why certain members of this forum, think a one-world government/currency would prove beneficial. Governments, since the beginning of time, have been the backbone of chaos in the world -- the relentless pursuit of power and money. It reminds me of a quote from the movie Casino: "It's the last time we'd ever be given anything that f-----g valuable again. In the end... we f----d it all up!"

But where does my ability to grasp and consider biblical prophecy within history derive from? The answer: current events and how current events effect the future! When biblical passages speak of a one-world government/currency, that is one thing. That and of itself, is totally irrelevant. But when members of foreign governments (to include the United States) speak of one-world governments/currencies, I am cautioned. Marshaling such entanglements as mere coincidence, carries zero explanatory power. That is my opinion!

With all in mind, please understand, that I do not sleep under my bed at night, and I do not endorse world chaos by tomorrow morning (before you've had a chance to enjoy a cup of coffee) over microchip technology or Satan peering through television screens! All I'm saying is this: with all transpiring in the world today, it seems that the Bible might have something of significance to warn mankind of imminent doom.

"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:16-17).

I have caught much flack over the passages above, but to defend my position, I posted relevant websites and/or videos (that contain mainstream news coverage) proving that such technology exists. In the wrong hands -- a world government -- such technology can (and will) be used to gain power; but let's not run for the hills just yet.

If members of this forum cannot (at least) respect my opinion and understand where I am coming from, that is your choice. No one can take that away from you, but please, do not insult me. It's completely and utterly unwarranted.

ushomefree turn off the computer, and spend some time with your family. This arena is not a place for you.

Originally posted by King Kandy

No, what you did was claim falsely that the US and other governments were actively trying to force people to implant microchips in their hand or forehead.

You are correct! It was my mistake. What I was trying to say, is that governments around the world, are pursuing microchip technology to ease money transactions, reduce identity theft, aid medical care and fight terrorism. It is my view, that a one-world government could (and would) mandate all citizens to received the implant. Is this going to occur in our life time? Obviously not, but people around the world are already openly receiving the implant. A seed has been planted, and it will only grow from there. An example: VeriChip.

Originally posted by ushomefree
You are correct! It was my mistake. What I was trying to say, is that governments around the world, are pursuing microchip technology to ease money transactions, reduce identity theft, aid medical care and fight terrorism. It is my view, that a one-world government could (and would) mandate all citizens to received the implant. Is this going to occur in our life time? Obviously not, but people around the world are already openly receiving the implant. A seed has been planted, and it will only grow from there. An example: VeriChip.

You claim you make a mistake...then make the same claim...

Previously, I made the comment, that, governments around the world, including the United States, are already implanting microchips by means of mandate/force in the foreheads and/or hands of its citizens. This of course, is not true, and I over spoke.

Originally posted by ushomefree
You are correct! It was my mistake. What I was trying to say, is that governments around the world, are pursuing microchip technology to ease money transactions, reduce identity theft, aid medical care and fight terrorism. It is my view, that a one-world government could (and would) mandate all citizens to received the implant. Is this going to occur in our life time? Obviously not, but people around the world are already openly receiving the implant. A seed has been planted, and it will only grow from there. An example: VeriChip.

No duh!

Originally posted by ushomefree
No duh!

"governments around the world, are pursuing microchip technology"

to be fair, Haliburton is a private company, as is Blackwater, and the government has no problem using their goods and services for oppression.

Originally posted by ushomefree
No duh!