Originally posted by kevinash
I’m not going to give it away, but there’s a final plot twist in this movie that is beyond absurd.
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He's supposed to be a modern day prophet, protected until his job is done. I guess that included a "hyper" hearing sense which allowed him to almost see with echo location. There are several parts in the film that indicate that he's hearing like a bat.
Originally posted by dadudemonSpoiler:
He's supposed to be a modern day prophet, protected until his job is done. I guess that included a "hyper" hearing sense which allowed him to almost see with echo location. There are several parts in the film that indicate that he's hearing like a bat.
So it's Madmax, meets The Road, meets Black
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Daredevil. Hmmm.
Originally posted by Quincy
You rated it a 9 out of 10 because it is mediocre?
Don't worry, he rarely makes sense.
As for the movie, it looks kind of "meh." Decent cast, maybe some good action sequences, ridiculous plot, etc. That's speculation, but that's the impression I got from the trailer and so forth.
Looks like a fun B-movie, which means I'll wait for the DVD.
Originally posted by Quincy
You rated it a 9 out of 10 because it is mediocre?
You missed it. It was me being cheeky with you. Obviously, I didn't think it was mediocre. Obviously, you saw what I thought of the film before you posted.
Here's another example of what just happened:
Me: this food was awesome.
You: This food sucked.
Me: Yeah, that's exactly why I ate 5 helpings.
Originally posted by BackFire
It doesn't fit into the film, just another forced twist ending for the hell of it. It's lazy and stupid.
You do know there are little hints and goodies throughout the film that indicate that
Spoiler:right? If you didn't notice those things, rewatch the film when it comes out on DVD and it might increase your opinion of the film...even if just a little.
he's blind,
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I guessed that he was blind when he bumped into that table at the beginning. Then, it was confirmed when he was reading with his hand always touching the book. I was like, "ZOMG! It's Braille!" Off the top of my head, there are about 8 hints (many more if you count multiple hints done in the same way in the same scene) before it's revealed that he's blind. There may be more and I just didn't notice them. It wasn't an unplanned twist at all, but rather, a planned out plot twist that warrants the movie at least a second viewing to catch all of the goodies, similar to Fight Club.
I think Quincy is right about the film, though. I liked the music, the story, and characters..but I did not like
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the little girl being all badass at the end...that was stupid and unnecessarily cheesy just for the sake of leaving it open to make another film.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You missed it. It was me being cheeky with you. Obviously, I didn't think it was mediocre. Obviously, you saw what I thought of the film before you posted.Here's another example of what just happened:
Me: this food was awesome.
You: This food sucked.
Me: Yeah, that's exactly why I ate 5 helpings.
You do know there are little hints and goodies throughout the film that indicate that
Spoiler:right? If you didn't notice those things, rewatch the film when it comes out on DVD and it might increase your opinion of the film...even if just a little.
he's blind,Spoiler:
I guessed that he was blind when he bumped into that table at the beginning. Then, it was confirmed when he was reading with his hand always touching the book. I was like, "ZOMG! It's Braille!" Off the top of my head, there are about 8 hints (many more if you count multiple hints done in the same way in the same scene) before it's revealed that he's blind. There may be more and I just didn't notice them. It wasn't an unplanned twist at all, but rather, a planned out plot twist that warrants the movie at least a second viewing to catch all of the goodies, similar to Fight Club.I think Quincy is right about the film, though. I liked the music, the story, and characters..but I did not like
Spoiler:
the little girl being all badass at the end...that was stupid and unnecessarily cheesy just for the sake of leaving it open to make another film.
It doesn't matter. It's a twist that felt forced becus it was unnecaessary. A good twist shoud make me go "ohhhhh!" Not "uhhhh..." Any retard can thingk of a twist and go back into his script and implement litle 'hints' later on, very eesy to do In this movie the twist felt like a crutch, like something that was simply done to lazily surprise the audience, and I have no intention of watching it again to see the silly little hints because 1) I already know of them, and 2) because that's what they want, and the twist isn't complelling or complex or thoughtful enough to really warreant such a viewing. It's a simple novelty, nothing more.
Btw, there is a twist ending to this post. It's going to blow your mind Can you guess what it is? Did you catch all the cleverly implimented hints?
The twist is
Spoiler:Now reread my post and see if you can catch all my incredibly clever and subtle hints. There's your twist ending
I can't type. Evidenced by my constant imspelling of simple wurds. Bam.
Originally posted by BackFire
It doesn't matter. It's a twist that felt forced becus it was unnecaessary. A good twist shoud make me go "ohhhhh!" Not "uhhhh..." Any retard can thingk of a twist and go back into his script and implement litle 'hints' later on, very eesy to do In this movie the twist felt like a crutch, like something that was simply done to lazily surprise the audience,
Oh, okay. I see where you're coming form, now. I thought you were one of those watchers (I watched the film with a large group...some didn't pick up on any of the hints, others did.) that missed it the first time around...or didn't care to pay attention because you thought it sucked so bad, from the beginning.
Then there's people like me that think it was intelligently done and it was delicious and enjoyable to see those tid bits, once I figured it out. I don't think a twist has to be shocking or create the "OMG!" moment. I think the movie executed it almost perfectly: it was quite obvious he was blind and the end just confirmed what lots of the audience was suspecting. His uber fighting/training to overcome his
Spoiler:made it all the more awesome.
blindness
Originally posted by BackFire
and I have no intention of watching it again to see the silly little hints because 1) I already know of them, and 2) because that's what they want, and the twist isn't complelling or complex or thoughtful enough to really warreant such a viewing. It's a simple novelty, nothing more.
I sort of agree, but mostly disagree.
It's there in a similar fashion that it was in the 6th sense. It definitely warrents a second viewing. However, it wasn't as subtle as the 6th Sense, so in that aspect, it IS more of a novelty. Luckily, for me, there's far more to the film than the idea that he's
Spoiler:It wasn't thrown in as an afterthought, it was artfully and intelligently done.
blind
Originally posted by QuincyI laughed at that part also hahaha. But it was the ending and you know where eli is. So i dont give a ****.
Pros: When Denzel is whipping assCons: The ending with Mila Kunis acting badass. The **** is that shit?
But to her defense. All she was doing was going home to her mother in Eli's clothes basically. ***** is gonna get raped out there.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, okay. I see where you're coming form, now. I thought you were one of those watchers (I watched the film with a large group...some didn't pick up on any of the hints, others did.) that missed it the first time around...or didn't care to pay attention because you thought it sucked so bad, from the beginning.Then there's people like me that think it was intelligently done and it was delicious and enjoyable to see those tid bits, once I figured it out. I don't think a twist has to be shocking or create the "OMG!" moment. I think the movie executed it almost perfectly: it was quite obvious he was blind and the end just confirmed what lots of the audience was suspecting. His uber fighting/training to overcome his
Spoiler:made it all the more awesome.
blindnessI sort of agree, but mostly disagree.
It's there in a similar fashion that it was in the 6th sense. It definitely warrents a second viewing. However, it wasn't as subtle as the 6th Sense, so in that aspect, it IS more of a novelty. Luckily, for me, there's far more to the film than the idea that he's
Spoiler:It wasn't thrown in as an afterthought, it was artfully and intelligently done.
blind
I'm simply not a fan of twist endings in general. I tend to feel they are often used as a crutch to make up for a lackluster rest of the film. Though in this case I felt it was the opposite; the rest of the film was alright - fun and enjoyable, and I thought the ending was silly and even worse - pointless. It didn't actually add anything to the movie. You could take out the ending and not much would have changed.
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Rather than Eli being blind and the bible being in braille, they could have had the bible simply be full of blank pages, and Eli could see, but still had the bible memorized fully from his life prior to the apocalypse or something. And Oldman's character would have still be foiled just the same.
It just wasn't essential to the film. Didn't alter the course or the theme of the film, which is what a good twist ending should do. On the same token, a twist, while altering the entire course of the film, should feel organic and essential. After seeing the ending, I shouldn't be able to imagine any other ending to the film, it should be mandatory in order for the film's themes to be explored properly, instead of a "oh yeah? Well guess what? He's a ghost. BAM!" Most twists don't follow this course of thought, though, which is why I don't like most of them. Being able to think of something surprising isn't impressive for me. I'm more impressed if they're able to weave it into the very structure of the narrative.
Originally posted by BackFireBtw, there is a twist ending to this post. It's going to blow your mind Can you guess what it is? Did you catch all the cleverly implimented hints?
The twist is
Spoiler:Now reread my post and see if you can catch all my incredibly clever and subtle hints. There's your twist ending
I can't type. Evidenced by my constant imspelling of simple wurds. Bam.
Oh man, I couldn't help but read the spoiler. It's crazy! I can't wait for it to come out on Blu-ray so I can read it again and look for the hints in high def.
Originally posted by BackFire
I'm simply not a fan of twist endings in general. I tend to feel they are often used as a crutch to make up for a lackluster rest of the film. Though in this case I felt it was the opposite; the rest of the film was alright - fun and enjoyable, and I thought the ending was silly and even worse - pointless. It didn't actually add anything to the movie. You could take out the ending and not much would have changed.Spoiler:
Rather than Eli being blind and the bible being in braille, they could have had the bible simply be full of blank pages, and Eli could see, but still had the bible memorized fully from his life prior to the apocalypse or something. And Oldman's character would have still be foiled just the same.
Honestly, I thought that my idea of him being blind was wrong towards then end there with Oldman starting looking at the pages: they looked blank, initially. So, I thought that was how it was going to end...foiling my guess, and making me look like a fool to my friends.
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Yes, that ending would have been fine, as well. And when he cues into things with his hearing, and bumps into things, it would have just seemed like it was a "more real" take on filming...with mistakes.
But, I still like the current ending better because it makes him more badass...thought the "blank pages" would be better "pwange" against Oldaman's character. I take that back: it was better for him to get pwned by the blind slave mama. The "sting" would not have been as good. In order for him to get the complete "owned" even his slave/wife had to refuse him and insult him. It was a way to make up for how he mistreated her in the past, as well.
Originally posted by BackFire
It just wasn't essential to the film. Didn't alter the course or the theme of the film, which is what a good twist ending should do.
I feel differently. Usually, altering the course of a film by a simple word, phrase, or small plot device, is quite lame and poor writing.
What it should do is elegantly change the interpretation of previous events while confirming little tidbits hidden throughout that would be revealed upon a second viewing (for most..some people like Bardock and myself have a nasty habit of guessing crap and pissing people off)
Originally posted by BackFire
On the same token, a twist, while altering the entire course of the film, should feel organic and essential. After seeing the ending, I shouldn't be able to imagine any other ending to the film, it should be mandatory in order for the film's themes to be explored properly, instead of a "oh yeah? Well guess what? He's a ghost. BAM!" Most twists don't follow this course of thought, though, which is why I don't like most of them.
You see, I think every ending, including twists are always questionable. That's because I like to write stuff, myself. I always think about how a film could be improved...regardlesss of how good it was. I do that to both improve my own writing ability (lord knows it needs improvement) and also to see what could have been done better.
Originally posted by BackFire
Being able to think of something surprising isn't impressive for me. I'm more impressed if they're able to weave it into the very structure of the narrative.
And that's exactly what they did with this film.