Michael Jackson - muslim???

Started by siriuswriter2 pages

i think michael is the warrior angel... ? or the head warrior angel....?

is the christian michael some different kind of angel from the muslim one? i was under the impression that most of the names are simply translations of sorts Jibrail/gabriel, issa/jesus, moosa/moses etc etc

...I was making a joke.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
is the christian michael some different kind of angel from the muslim one? i was under the impression that most of the names are simply translations of sorts Jibrail/gabriel, issa/jesus, moosa/moses etc etc

where did you get "angel of rain" from, though?

well, here's wiki :
christian perception :

In the Epistle of Jude of the New Testament in verse 9, St Michael disputes with the Devil over the body of Moses. In Revelation 12:7-8, "And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven." Saint John describes Satan being thrown out of heaven three and a half years from the end of the age, "a time, times and half a time" (Revelation 12:14). Satan being thrown from heaven coincides with the "abomination that causes desolation" as spoken of by the prophet (Daniel 9:27). In Catholic teachings, Saint Michael will also triumph at the end times when Antichrist will be defeated by him.[11] The Book of Daniel (12:1) states: "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise."[12]

islamic perception :

In Arabic literature, Michael is called Mikha'il. In the Qur'an, Michael is mentioned once only, in Sura 2:98. In his commentary on verse 98 of that sura, Baiḍawi relates that on one occasion Umar ibn al-Khattab went into a Jewish school and inquired concerning Gabriel. The pupils said he was their enemy, but that Michael was a good angel, bringing peace and plenty. In answer to Umar's question as to the respective positions of Michael and Gabriel in God's presence, they said that Gabriel was on his right hand and Michael on his left. Umar exclaimed at their untruthfulness, and declared that whoever was an enemy to God's angels, to him God would be an enemy. Upon returning to Muhammad, Umar found that Gabriel had forestalled him by revealing the same message, which is contained in verse 98. Muslim commentators state with reference to Sura 11:69 that Michael was one of the three angels who visited Abraham.

and there's a picture of the archangel michael pwning satan.

ya, that was the extent of my reading, also

I was just curious about this "angel of rain" comment, and whether it was new age or a throw back to pre-christian pantheons

Originally posted by siriuswriter
i think michael is the warrior angel... ? or the head warrior angel....?

That definitely supports the theory of him leading an underground army against the Illuminati. I'm with you. MJ is definitely an archangel

Allah endowed the angels with the strength to perform the obedience without getting tired, and without being in need of food, drink, sleep, or rest. They do not eat or drink or sleep. They perform only that which Allah ordered them to perform. Every angel has an assignment. Angel Jibril is the Messenger of Allah to his prophets. Angel Israfil is the angel assigned to blow the horn on the Day of Judgment. ^Asra’il is the Angel of death, whose assignment is to capture the soul of the person when it leaves his body at death. Ridwan is the angel in charge of Paradise, Malik the angel in charge of Hellfire. There are angels in charge of the clouds, the winds, and the plants. With each human there are eight (8) angels--whose assignment is to protect that person from the harm of the jinn. It was narrated that if it were not for these angels, the jinn would play with the person like the person plays with a ball. The zabaniyah are angels in charge of torturing the blasphemers in Hellfire. There are other angels who roam around, writing down the leaves that drop off the trees. Some angels are in charge of delivering the salutations to the Messenger of Allah in his grave of the one not present at the grave of the Prophet who says salams to him. There is an angel in charge of the womb of the woman. He writes matters on the forehead of the fetus when the fetus is 120 days old and his soul joins his body. There are the angels who carry the ^Arsh. Rata’il is the angel in charge of relieving the sadness of the believers; Mika’il is the angel in charge of the rain. Angel Isma^il is in charge of 12,000 angels in one sky who are his direct assistants. There are the angels who write down the deeds of the person-each one has two with him, one who writes the good deeds, and the other who writes the mubah and the bad deeds. There are the angels, Munkar and Nakir, who question the person in the grave, and many, many more

*shrug*

What's that a quote from?

a hadith.

some people kind of oversimplify things with the translation talk. not all the names and people are identical. a good example would be that in christianity Abraham was to sacrifice his son Isaac. however in islam the son's name was Ismail. Ishac (isac) is the name of anotehr of Ibraheem's sons but he wasn't the one that was to be sacrificed.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
*shrug*

cool

It'd be interesting to look at how scholars interpret that Hadith

An interesting fact about MJ...he would eat meat but not pork...could anyone double check that for me?

Thanks.

Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
An interesting fact about MJ...he would eat meat but not pork...could anyone double check that for me?

Thanks.

not a double-check, but that's an interesting diet choice for americans. we usually eat more meat than we could possibly need unless a principle or religion dictates otherwise. this could be jewish - as there is kosher beef, but pork cannot be kosher.

i'm guessing it's just a fancy diet prescribed by a fancy nutritionist, though. considering how many people of that sort of profession he had in his retinue.

Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
An interesting fact about MJ...he would eat meat but not pork...could anyone double check that for me?

Thanks.


That might add a bit of credibility here.

Its Micheal Jackson, you know, Amusement-park-in-my-back-yard-sleep-with-but-don't-****-children-while-they-are-in-my-bed-I-have-a-pet-monkey-now-I'm-a-white-person Micheal Jackson

would you be at all surprised if one day he did convert to Islam? I think it would be more surprising if he didn't.

I don't think it matters really. His personal choice, whatever he chose was best for him. So...

Originally posted by inimalist
Its Micheal Jackson, you know, Amusement-park-in-my-back-yard-sleep-with-but-don't-****-children-while-they-are-in-my-bed-I-have-a-pet-monkey-now-I'm-a-white-person Micheal Jackson

would you be at all surprised if one day he did convert to Islam? I think it would be more surprising if he didn't.


Maybe he finally found true meaning in life...

but probably not.

well, it was his choice apparently. that and the fact that he's dead (RIP). I don't like talking trash about dead people.

Originally posted by inimalist
...sleep-with-but-don't-****-children-while-they-are-in-my-bed...
You make it sound like its a bad thing.

Originally posted by SamZED
You make it sound like its a bad thing.

And ironic