Originally posted by ushomefree
So... back to the original question: why would God expect me (or anyone for the matter) to give all hard earned labor to anyone who asks?
"Give to everyone that asketh thee; and from him that taketh away thy goods ask not again." Luke 6:30
"Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away." Matt. 5:42
Those are both pretty clear unless you want to suggest that the Bible has an important historical context and that the writers may not have intended a strictly literal reading of the text.
Originally posted by ushomefree
So... back to the original question: why would God expect me (or anyone for the matter) to give all hard earned labor to anyone who asks?
How many camels can fit through the eye of a needle? Do you think that Jesus didn't really mean that? In other words, no rich men can ever make it into heaven, according to Jesus.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How many camels can fit through the eye of a needle? Do you think that Jesus didn't really mean that? In other words, no rich men can ever make it into heaven, according to Jesus.
That's not actually true. The disciples respond that by Jesus' standards no one can be saved and he says something to the effect that "by human means it is impossible, but with God all things are possible".
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's not actually true. The disciples respond that by Jesus' standards no one can be saved and he says something to the effect that "by human means it is impossible, but with God all things are possible".
Jesus talked about if you think a sin, then you have committed that sin. Therefore, money is not the problem. If you care about money at all, then you will not make it into heaven is the underlining principle, I think. That means if someone asks for your money, you should give it away, because you don't care about it.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonHow many camels can fit through the eye of a needle? Do you think that Jesus didn't really mean that? In other words, no rich men can ever make it into heaven, according to Jesus.
I think you understand completely what the theme of Matthew 19:24 entails; your simply being stubborn. For millionaires and billionaires around the world, their lives are engrossed over money and material things, not God. And so... they will never come to terms with God. However, if you read Matthew 19:25-26, you'll learn, that God can save them -- hence the Holy Spirit. When a man/women repents, it will be provided. Salvation is not the works of one's self, but of God. Do you understand?
Originally posted by ushomefree
I think you understand completely what the theme of Matthew 19:24 entails; your simply being stubborn. For millionaires and billionaires around the world, their lives are engrossed over money and material things, not God. And so... they will never come to terms with God. However, if you read Matthew 19:25-26, you'll learn, that God can save them -- hence the Holy Spirit. When a man/women repents, it will be provided. Salvation is not the works of one's self, but of God. Do you understand?
Send me your money; do you understand? 😉
Originally posted by ushomefree
I know you don't want my money, silly! Heck, I have no money, ha ha! Besides, your the one selling CDs on the internet!! We are talking about the meaning of Scripture pertaining to Matthew 19:23. What does that have to do with anything?
Sure I sell CD's, but not that many.
I think for a moment, you felt the pull of money. I think the reason you asked me why more then once was because you were looking for a way out. You don't have to be rich to feel the pull of money.
I understand what Jesus was saying, and it is far more serious then this silly thread. To be truthful, if I could find a way to survive, I would give all my money away. I have worked hard to rid myself of all hate, but I am not pure. I still hold one hate in my heart, and that is the hate of money.
Now do you understand.
1. I wouldn't give my money to just anyone. **** those dumbass bums who want my money. I'll, however, donate my time and labor until my hands bleed, which is really what that's about. Luckily, we know that the words written there don't mean give up everything you have for a con-artist. It is referring to helping someone really in need of help. It's called the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law. If one adheres to the letter of the law, but misses the spirit of the law, then it is better that he not have tried to follow it to begin with.
2. I don't hold that to be true at all. Only an idiot would knowingly drink poison. However, if there are people out there that were guarenteed by God to not die from drinking poison, and it was a show of God's power for someone attempting to tempt God, fine. But that would be like a one out of a million chance. The only related example I can think of of someone tempting God is the whole sacrifice think Elijah (or was it Elisha?) did when god sent down that super fire from heaven and burnt up the offering in mere seconds. Other than that, God will usually never give into "tempting God" scenarios, which is why I say that scripture is either taken waaaaay out of context, or the person who wrote it down was mistaken on what God was telling him at tht point. Revelation usually works in thoughts or ideas, not direct diction. There's very few instances of direct diction from God to his prophets.
3. If you REALLY want to test to see how Christian someone is, ask them for help or time on something that you genuinely need help with. It would have to be something legit. If you need $400 for your mother's CAT scan, ask for it to be donated. If you need someone to repair your leaky roof but have arthritis and no money to afford it, ask someone you deem as a true Christian. That's REALLY what those scriptures are about. And...the poison one is just plain dumb and can get dumbass Christians killed. I know for a fact that Mormon's got their whine poisoned, so they switched to water so they could tel if it had been tainted or not. Tells me that that scripture is either incorrectly being interpreted, or the man who wrote it didn't understand God, fully.
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I wouldn't give my money to just anyone. **** those dumbass bums who want my money. I'll, however, donate my time and labor until my hands bleed, which is really what that's about. Luckily, we know that the words written there don't mean give up everything you have for a con-artist. It is referring to helping someone really in need of help. It's called the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law. If one adheres to the letter of the law, but misses the spirit of the law, then it is better that he not have tried to follow it to begin with.
I agree. Also, giving money to some people can do more harm, then good.
Originally posted by dadudemon
2. I don't hold that to be true at all. Only an idiot would knowingly drink poison. However, if there are people out there that were guarenteed by God to not die from drinking poison, and it was a show of God's power for someone attempting to tempt God, fine. But that would be like a one out of a million chance. The only related example I can think of of someone tempting God is the whole sacrifice think Elijah (or was it Elisha?) did when god sent down that super fire from heaven and burnt up the offering in mere seconds. Other than that, God will usually never give into "tempting God" scenarios, which is why I say that scripture is either taken waaaaay out of context, or the person who wrote it down was mistaken on what God was telling him at tht point. Revelation usually works in thoughts or ideas, not direct diction. There's very few instances of direct diction from God to his prophets.
I really didn’t care for that part, but I had to post all of the article to keep true to the permission.
Originally posted by dadudemon
3. If you REALLY want to test to see how Christian someone is, ask them for help or time on something that you genuinely need help with. It would have to be something legit. If you need $400 for your mother's CAT scan, ask for it to be donated. If you need someone to repair your leaky roof but have arthritis and no money to afford it, ask someone you deem as a true Christian. That's REALLY what those scriptures are about. And...the poison one is just plain dumb and can get dumbass Christians killed. I know for a fact that Mormon's got their whine poisoned, so they switched to water so they could tel if it had been tainted or not. Tells me that that scripture is either incorrectly being interpreted, or the man who wrote it didn't understand God, fully.
I am glad you do not take the bible literally.
In the sermon on the mount jesus says to consider the lillies of the valley or the birds of the air. Do birds build nests for their young? yes.
The scripture doesn't mean that you should neglect fiscal assets, but more that you should not make them a priority. And yes, if your roof was broken and you asked me to, i'd help fix it.
Originally posted by ShkayamunisonSure I sell CD's, but not that many.
Brother... sell a billion copies! Be successful, but do not forget God in the process (as many have in the past). That's the entire point -- give to the needy and help your community. God isn't asking that you turn yourself inside out when it comes to finance and/or to deny talents. In the end, it's all about perspective. Which one controls your life: fame, money, power, Sponge Bob or God? Do not get ahead of yourself.
Originally posted by ShkayamunisonI think for a moment, you felt the pull of money. I think the reason you asked me why more then once was because you were looking for a way out. You don't have to be rich to feel the pull of money.
I understand what Jesus was saying, and it is far more serious then this silly thread.
I agree, and yes... I have felt the so-called "pull of money." Heck... who hasn't, especially in industrialized nations? It's easy to serve one's self, but difficult to serve God.
Originally posted by ShkayamunisonTo be truthful, if I could find a way to survive, I would give all my money away. I have worked hard to rid myself of all hate, but I am not pure. I still hold one hate in my heart, and that is the hate of money.
Now do you understand?
Very, very admirable Shaky.... It truly is, but the problem is not money itself; the problem is greed! But I understand your point.