Originally posted by vansonbee
That the point, does he have to yell out Godblast for it to be Godblast?
well, yeah. thor does actually say when he's gonna bust out the Godblast. he said he was using it vs galactus, also said that it was a godblast vs exitar, and also vs jugernaut. other than those instances, i'm not aware of any other time he's used the Godblast.
Originally posted by h1a8Thor had the belt of strength on which doubled his strength at the time if I recall correctly.
How do you know how durable a Celestial's shell is? What are some of their durability feats? It could be no harder than Uru metal itself since Thor busted through the dome with Mjolnir. All godblasts are equal because no writer has said otherwise. This is the rules to comics, if someone isn't explained by the story or writer then it doesn't exist.I have all issues of WW Hulk (all 5 issues) and I've read many battles of Hulk (from Namor to Thor). I have fair knowledge of Hulk.
No, that's ignoring the actual godblasts themselves. Do you even know what a godblast is?
Then why would you act as if he can't heal almost immediately when sufficiently angry enough? This is a very tactical, intelligent, and strong Hulk.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is speculation at best. Superman being stunned by a exploding gas station proves that particular gas station was more powerful than all others. 🙄 How do you know if would have succeeded in beheading Cain? Would a cop succeed in penetrating Superman with a lead bullet?Ordinary bullets = Adamantium bullets. They are both blunt, both have nearly the same mass, and both have the same low velocity thus they have the same low momentum. This is like a little girl throwing an adamantium bullet at me and it doing absolutely nothing but falling to the ground. Neither is sharp like wolverine's claws (this would make the adamantium bullet greater than the ordinary one). You accuse others of ignoring evidence yet you are ignoring the fact that the beam tore Hulk's ass up and the fact that the Thing busted Hulk's face up with one punch. Bleeding means everything. It proves that one could be defeated if enough is added.
If this was the case why didnt the army just use regular bullets instead of adamantium bullets since both can pierce hulks hide in the same way.
Alright, I've got some sh*t to say.
Originally posted by h1a8
1 minute is considered seconds too. A godblast is a continuous damage giver. For each [b]instant Hulk will receive new damage and it will take him 30-60 seconds to heal from that new damage. I wonder how many instants are in 30-60 seconds. Hulk's HF would never catch up and he will fall. His HF is directly proportional to his anger but with a smaller constant of proportionality. This is proven by WW Hulk being stronger than all normal Hulks yet Thing and others busted his face good with one punch. [/B]
The problem here is; this is all bullsh*t. Yup. You don't actually prove anything. "Hulk's HF would never catch up and he will fail." Really? F*cking prove it. And where did you get 30-60 seconds from? Did you just pull that out of your ass? Regardless, Hulk's taken cosmic blasts from Surfer, mystical blasts from Zom/Strange, heat-vision from Gladiator, full power beam from Cyclops, nova-flame and full-power lightning combo from Storm and Human Torch, ground zero point blank nuclear explosions, and thousands of rounds of adamantium bullets in continuous fire. Most of these attacks were continuous damage, but you know what? Hulk tanked through all of them and beat up everyone that threw them out.
Now, true enough, none of these attacks can hold an ass hair to the godblast, but the issue is durability plus healing factor. WWHulk, even pre-World Breaker, took all of all-out Sentry's power blasts in stride. Considering it's WWHulk in this contest, we should examine his highest durability and HF feat. Nearing the end of the fight, Sentry began blasting out energy in all directions, all of it an offensive attack as seen by the fact that blood was squirting out Hulk's nose even without being physically attacked, and by the fact that the buildings were being trashed. At the end of the fight, Hulk turns into Banner, meaning the HF stops working at that point. And up until that very instant, Sentry was still outputting energy, which would've done something to dampen the HF. Besides looking marginally disheveled, Banner was no worse for wear. Bob was swollen, bloodied, and even passed out for the KO. Banner, however, had only superficial skin damage, and was easily on his feet without any hint of fatigue or pain. He even gives the evil-eye to everyone. And then, still bloodied and all, he Hulks-out again. And the very first panel you see Hulk, he doesn't have a scratch on him. Sentry's most powerful attacks covered every inch of the area, and WWHulk had nothing but superficial lacerations. And you know what's most interesting about that fight? What's interesting about Sentry going all-out and drenching Hulk in offensive energy, and that by the end of the fight Hulk only had surface damage? Sentry's aura effect on Hulk. While in Sentry's presence, Hulk's rage has a cap, and consequently so does all of Hulk's powers, including the (your words) "smaller proportioned HF." That speaks volumes about what WWHulk's HF would be like in full power. Not to mention the fact that World Breaker was several times more powerful than base WWHulk.
I say it's obvious WWHulk should be able to take a really good godblast. At least one, without KO.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know if would have succeeded in beheading Cain? Would a cop succeed in penetrating Superman with a lead bullet?You accuse others of ignoring evidence yet you are ignoring the fact that the beam tore Hulk's ass up and the fact that the Thing busted Hulk's face up with one punch. Bleeding means everything. It proves that one could be defeated if enough is added.
First, the beheading. True, we'll never know if War Hulk really could've beheaded Juggernaut. But it seems likely he would've and could've. It was made to be a very finalizing statement. Juggernaut seemed to know as well, given that he didn't fight back until Absorbing Man surprised Hulk. Chances are, Juggernaut knew he was screwed.
Next, are you aware that nasal tissues and gum tissues are some of the weakest tissues in the body? So much so that even a violent sneeze can give a normal man a bloody nose. And the gums can bleed if you so much as brush your teeth too hard. So being punched by someone that can bench almost a hundred tons like Thing is enough give almost anyone a bloody nose. But did it bother Hulk? No. He then one-shotted Thing. So bleeding is not everything. Actually, it's nothing.
Originally posted by h1a8
And you think WW Hulk could take a godblast. I don't think he can take a nuclear blast. He couldn't even take the beam at the end.
Hulk has held a nuclear bomb in his hand as it went off, and he was completely unharmed. Just to add a point, did you know nuclear blasts produce heat that can rival the core of the Sun? And Hulk chose to let the satellites take him out. That was clearly illustrated and explained in the story. Besides that, some, if not all, of the many satellites Stark chose to fire with might have had very unique weapons we don't know of, and are theoretically possibly very powerful in their own right. Such as when he mentions a "Russian experimental" satellite. They don't tell us how powerful or numerous the "Chinese Firestars" are, nor do they elaborate in the slightest on what kind of weapon the "Shi'ar Probe" is equipped with. Not to mention Stark said he didn't bother measuring the combined power of the weapons. For all we know, the combined power could take down Galactus. That's probably why they didn't say how powerful the rays were. So people didn't just assume Stark was using the left overs of Sputnik and a Chinese bottle rocket that managed to reach orbit.
Anywho, get your sh*t together and stop picking at these little things just to bash Hulk or make your guy win. Come up with a real debate, but don't do it if you don't actually have anything more than words and opinions. You actually banked a debate on the fact that Thing was able to give Hulk a little blood? I mean... damn, man...
Originally posted by King Kandy
The destroyer shot it's arm blasts and stuff, which didn't do anything really. Only the sword could damage them, and they just regenerated. This is the arm beam, by the way, that sliced Mjolner in two, without the amps.Thor cracked the inner dome which is far stronger than the outer one. And Exitar is greater than other celestials. He's much bigger and thus has a thicker shell.
It was a punch and not a blast. A blow is not a blast. Celestials use force fields that can deflect beams and blows. Also penetration depends on surface area. For example, with little force a sharp knife can cut us with the ease. Thor's hammer has much smaller surface area than the Destroyer's fist. Thus Thor would need only a fraction of the force to crack it. Otherwise we are looking at inconsistent writing since Thor cracking Celestial armor would mean that Uru is stronger than their dome. Yet Destroyer (which is made of Uru) proves that it isn't.
How do you know the inner dome is far stronger than the outer one? It could be only a little stronger or even weaker.
Originally posted by carver9
If this was the case why didnt the army just use regular bullets instead of adamantium bullets since both can pierce hulks hide in the same way.
They used shards (which are sharper) and not bullets at all. Remember penetration depends on mass, hardness, velocity, and surface area.
Originally posted by h1a8
It was a punch and not a blast. A blow is not a blast. Celestials use force fields that can deflect beams and blows. Also penetration depends on surface area. For example, with little force a sharp knife can cut us with the ease. Thor's hammer has much smaller surface area than the Destroyer's fist. Thus Thor would need only a fraction of the force to crack it. Otherwise we are looking at inconsistent writing since Thor cracking Celestial armor would mean that Uru is stronger than their dome. Yet Destroyer (which is made of Uru) proves that it isn't.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know the inner dome is far stronger than the outer one? It could be only a little stronger or even weaker.
Originally posted by Master CourtIt takes panels for Hulk to heal. People have said whole sentences before Hulk was fully healed. My estimate of 30-60 seconds against large damage is fair. I'm arguing a continuous blast and not a single one. Hulk has been blasted before but never against a continuous flow. Also Hulk has been also damaged rather easily against blasts too. But you don't mention those times huh. But know that the Godblast >>>>> than any of those attacks you mentioned. This is like saying that since I can survive a girl throwing an adamantium bullet at me then I can survive one being shot at me too. Lastly Hulk would have fell if those adamantium shards kept tearing him up. See in this thread Hulk has to stand there and take the full stream and not fight back and end the attack.
Alright, I've got some sh*t to say.The problem here is; this is all bullsh*t. Yup. You don't actually prove anything. "Hulk's HF would never catch up and he will fail." Really? F*cking prove it. And where did you get 30-60 seconds from? Did you just pull that out of your ass? Regardless, Hulk's taken cosmic blasts from Surfer, mystical blasts from Zom/Strange, heat-vision from Gladiator, full power beam from Cyclops, nova-flame and full-power lightning combo from Storm and Human Torch, ground zero point blank nuclear explosions, and thousands of rounds of adamantium bullets in continuous fire. Most of these attacks were continuous damage, but you know what? Hulk tanked through all of them and beat up everyone that threw them out.
Sentry's light attack is probably garbage. Cyclops beam is probably stronger. It is super wild speculation to even consider it being on par with the Godblast. WW Hulk is very inconsistent. At one point he is bloodied with one single punch by Thing (which is multitudes times weaker than a godblast).
Now, true enough, none of these attacks can hold an ass hair to the godblast, but the issue is durability plus healing factor. WWHulk, even pre-World Breaker, took all of all-out Sentry's power blasts in stride. Considering it's WWHulk in this contest, we should examine his highest durability and HF feat. Nearing the end of the fight, Sentry began blasting out energy in all directions, all of it an offensive attack as seen by the fact that blood was squirting out Hulk's nose even without being physically attacked, and by the fact that the buildings were being trashed. At the end of the fight, Hulk turns into Banner, meaning the HF stops working at that point. And up until that very instant, Sentry was still outputting energy, which would've done something to dampen the HF. Besides looking marginally disheveled, Banner was no worse for wear. Bob was swollen, bloodied, and even passed out for the KO. Banner, however, had only superficial skin damage, and was easily on his feet without any hint of fatigue or pain. He even gives the evil-eye to everyone. And then, still bloodied and all, he Hulks-out again. And the very first panel you see Hulk, he doesn't have a scratch on him. Sentry's most powerful attacks covered every inch of the area, and WWHulk had nothing but superficial lacerations. And you know what's most interesting about that fight? What's interesting about Sentry going all-out and drenching Hulk in offensive energy, and that by the end of the fight Hulk only had surface damage? Sentry's aura effect on Hulk. While in Sentry's presence, Hulk's rage has a cap, and consequently so does all of Hulk's powers, including the (your words) "smaller proportioned HF." That speaks volumes about what WWHulk's HF would be like in full power. Not to mention the fact that World Breaker was several times more powerful than base WWHulk.
I don't think so. IMO, the godblast >>> than that beam in the end and just as continuous (probably a little more).I say it's obvious WWHulk should be able to take a really good godblast. At least one, without KO.
How can Juggs know when something can harm him? He doesn't have a special sense. I remember two times he thought he was going to be hurt from an attack but was surprised instead that it didn't do anything to him.First, the beheading. True, we'll never know if War Hulk really could've beheaded Juggernaut. But it seems likely he would've and could've. It was made to be a very finalizing statement. Juggernaut seemed to know as well, given that he didn't fight back until Absorbing Man surprised Hulk. Chances are, Juggernaut knew he was screwed.
The godblast would be pouring all over Hulk, he head and nasal cavities included. It would strike astronomically more times than one punch. A continuous blast could strike a thousand times per second. Each time is greater than one time of Thing.Next, are you aware that nasal tissues and gum tissues are some of the weakest tissues in the body? So much so that even a violent sneeze can give a normal man a bloody nose. And the gums can bleed if you so much as brush your teeth too hard. So being punched by someone that can bench almost a hundred tons like Thing is enough give almost anyone a bloody nose. But did it bother Hulk? No. He then one-shotted Thing. So bleeding is not everything. Actually, it's nothing.
I just saying IMO I don't think WW Hulk can take a godblast. I could be wrong as I'm not the writer. Hulk is inconsistent (even WW Hulk) and if he take his best and disregard his worst then he probably can tank one. But if we average him a little then I don't think he can tank one.Hulk has held a nuclear bomb in his hand as it went off, and he was completely unharmed. Just to add a point, did you know nuclear blasts produce heat that can rival the core of the Sun? And Hulk chose to let the satellites take him out. That was clearly illustrated and explained in the story. Besides that, some, if not all, of the many satellites Stark chose to fire with might have had very unique weapons we don't know of, and are theoretically possibly very powerful in their own right. Such as when he mentions a "Russian experimental" satellite. They don't tell us how powerful or numerous the "Chinese Firestars" are, nor do they elaborate in the slightest on what kind of weapon the "Shi'ar Probe" is equipped with. Not to mention Stark said he didn't bother measuring the combined power of the weapons. For all we know, the combined power could take down Galactus. That's probably why they didn't say how powerful the rays were. So people didn't just assume Stark was using the left overs of Sputnik and a Chinese bottle rocket that managed to reach orbit.
Good point. We don't know how powerful that beam was. So I concede here. But It is very hard for me to believe that Hulk held a nuclear bomb in his hand and it went off. I need proof for that. Because the Hulk I know can't survive a nuclear blast, not even the Maestro.
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Anywho, get your sh*t together and stop picking at these little things just to bash Hulk or make your guy win. Come up with a real debate, but don't do it if you don't actually have anything more than words and opinions. You actually banked a debate on the fact that Thing was able to give Hulk a little blood? I mean... damn, man...