Originally posted by jebadaya
thanos take this with a huge stomp, zeus with thor was defeated by akhenaten without any effort at all while thanos with a lot of tricks manage to defeat akhenaten , he will use all the dirty tricks he knows and beat zeus
Akhenaten hand the HOTU how does tht even compare to THanos there is no prep here
Originally posted by quanchi112We don't debate like that. Characters get their asses kicked all the time in their own comic book. If you don't have an example of Zeus easily annihilating Thor then why act like it's a fact?
Here's why your level of debating always fails. You ignore the comics and only pay attention to how you think things should go down. I go with the comics give me and always will.
Odin is no joke but then again neither is Thanos. 😉 Most of the examples you gave are complete fabrications in your mind. Exactly. People are falsely assuming Zeus to be on par with Odin and ignoring Thanos' final upgrade. Thanos destroys Zeus.
Do you think comics in them-self is the absolute truth? Please answer.
If so then that is your weakness.
This because comics have contradictions due to Artistic License (A term you fail to understand or even research). This lack of understanding forces you to pick and choose which feats you like and which you don't like instead of understanding the principle of a character based off the multitude and history of showings. This is why Spider-man is class 10-15 and not class 100.
This is why Zeus and Odin are so far above Thanos that Thanos is an insect to them.
For crying out loud, both Zeus and Odin proved that with a mere gesture they can take away Thor's powers and restore them at will. Odin with a simple enchantment can make a mere 40lb object unliftable by anyone (including a very enraged Hulk), virtually indestructible, command Storm and weather, grant the power of Thor, open vortexs, rearrange matter, etc.
He should easily be able to curse the mere arms of Thanos never to be lifted again and it will be so. Thanos is just a high top tier nothing more. And there is a huge gap between a top tier and a skyfather.
Originally posted by Sin I AMNah Thanos is at least low skyfather level considering his durability, tech and energy output not to mention he has telepathic abilities above most on Marvel earth. Darkseid also would be skyfather level because physically he is on par with Superman having the OE and OS makes it clear he doesn't belong in the sub skyfather category. Not to mention the fact that it takes a hell of alot to put him down for good. As for this battle I'm giving Zeus the benefit of the doubt he wins 7/10 IMO
hmmmmmm......off topic, since some people here seem to think Thanos is sub-skyfather, where do you all rate Darkseid since he is beneath Thanosbtw 5/5
Originally posted by h1a8I believe we debate based on what the comics give us. This isn't powerset debating.
Do you think comics in them-self is the absolute truth? Please answer.If so then that is your weakness.
This because comics have contradictions due to Artistic License (A term you fail to understand or even research). This lack of understanding forces you to pick and choose which feats you like and which you don't like instead of understanding the principle of a character based off the multitude and history of showings. This is why Spider-man is class 10-15 and not class 100.
This is why Zeus and Odin are so far above Thanos that Thanos is an insect to them.For crying out loud, both Zeus and Odin proved that with a mere gesture they can take away Thor's powers and restore them at will. Odin with a simple enchantment can make a mere 40lb object unliftable by anyone (including a very enraged Hulk), virtually indestructible, command Storm and weather, grant the power of Thor, open vortexs, rearrange matter, etc.
He should easily be able to curse the mere arms of Thanos never to be lifted again and it will be so. Thanos is just a high top tier nothing more. And there is a huge gap between a top tier and a skyfather.
Ok what feats does Zeus have that puts him well above Thanos? Please answer.
I like how you want to ignore Odin's battle with Thanos. It's what terrible debaters do they ignore the actual comics because they don't like the end results.
Thanos has easily waved down Thor's hammer before and even stalemated him briefly with his power gem amp. Zeus also took on Thor to a stalemate while Thanos has always been well above Thor. Even with an amp Thor lost while Zeus traded blow after blow with Thor. Galactus can also take the Surfer's powers away but he can't just take Thanos' away now can he?
When has Odin ever done so? This is some of the most ridiculous stuff I have ever heard. Ever.
Please provide something that proves Thanos is just a high end top tier?
Originally posted by quanchi112Agreed. But power sets play a huge part of the debate.
I believe we debate based on what the comics give us. This isn't powerset debating.
He has shown the ability to take away God hood and restore it with a mere gesture. That is enough for me. I don't think one could be a skyfather without that ability.
Ok what feats does Zeus have that puts him well above Thanos? Please answer.
Correct. I feel I have the right to pick and choose what things should be ignored and what things shouldn't. And I based this off the history of a character and not one instance that contradicts most of their history.I like how you want to ignore Odin's battle with Thanos. It's what terrible debaters do they ignore the actual comics because they don't like the end results.
I don't accept that logic for several reasons. First I don't believe that Thor with the power gem was that much more powerful than his normal self. I believe normal Thor could take it to Thanos if he is determined enough (like his fights with the celestials and the destroyer). Second, I believe Zues and Odin are so far beyond Thanos that they could possible do something nasty to Thanos with a mere gesture. Whether it be a curse, take away part or all of Thano's power, or something else that is very nasty.Thanos has easily waved down Thor's hammer before and even stalemated him briefly with his power gem amp. Zeus also took on Thor to a stalemate while Thanos has always been well above Thor. Even with an amp Thor lost while Zeus traded blow after blow with Thor. Galactus can also take the Surfer's powers away but he can't just take Thanos' away now can he?
He's never done it to Thanos but then again the writer didn't make him even try. Either the writer didn't know what Odin is truly capable of or Odin was merely jobbing to Thanos (which is called PIS). I mean if Thanos can override any of Odin's enchantments then that means he could possibly lift Mjolnir without being worthy. But since he can't then I don't see Thanos getting over if Odin chooses to curse his arms not to be lifted or anything else very nasty.When has Odin ever done so? This is some of the most ridiculous stuff I have ever heard. Ever.
The fact that he can't beat most high end top tiers without tech. I disregard the Surfer fights because Surfer fought stupidly. Tech puts him at high end top tier.Please provide something that proves Thanos is just a high end top tier?
Originally posted by h1a8Yes, but we can't make up stuff and ignore how characters match up against each other.
Agreed. But power sets play a huge part of the debate.He has shown the ability to take away God hood and restore it with a mere gesture. That is enough for me. I don't think one could be a skyfather without that ability. Correct. I feel I have the right to pick and choose what things should be ignored and what things shouldn't. And I based this off the history of a character and not one instance that contradicts most of their history. I don't accept that logic for several reasons. First I don't believe that Thor with the power gem was that much more powerful than his normal self. I believe normal Thor could take it to Thanos if he is determined enough (like his fights with the celestials and the destroyer). Second, I believe Zues and Odin are so far beyond Thanos that they could possible do something nasty to Thanos with a mere gesture. Whether it be a curse, take away part or all of Thano's power, or something else that is very nasty. He's never done it to Thanos but then again the writer didn't make him even try. Either the writer didn't know what Odin is truly capable of or Odin was merely jobbing to Thanos (which is called PIS). I mean if Thanos can override any of Odin's enchantments then that means he could possibly lift Mjolnir without being worthy. But since he can't then I don't see Thanos getting over if Odin chooses to curse his arms not to be lifted or anything else very nasty. The fact that he can't beat most high end top tiers without tech. I disregard the Surfer fights because Surfer fought stupidly. Tech puts him at high end top tier.
Whose power has he taken away that he didn't grant?
No, abc logic doesn't work here. This writer felt the gap between Odin and Thanos wasn't that big. Thanos took everything thrown his way from a determined Odin out for the kill. Thanos has also been upgraded since then.
The comic actually stated how much more powerful he was with this. he was gaining strength literally each second and was stomping Strange, the Infinity Watch, and the Surfer while using the gem. What aren't you getting?
When has Zeus defeated a worthy foe he didn't grant powers to with a mere gesture? Please inform me.
Thanos used his own tech to beat Thor with the power gem. How is that just a top tier when Thor was crushing teams of worthy adversaries? What top tier has beat him in fair combat? The Surfer is another example you want to ignore, while I don't ignore anything.
Originally posted by h1a8
I believe normal Thor could take it to Thanos if he is determined enough (like his fights with the celestials and the destroyer).
Originally posted by h1a8please provide proof that he uses tech when he fights other top tiers
Agreed. But power sets play a huge part of the debate.He has shown the ability to take away God hood and restore it with a mere gesture. That is enough for me. I don't think one could be a skyfather without that ability. Correct. I feel I have the right to pick and choose what things should be ignored and what things shouldn't. And I based this off the history of a character and not one instance that contradicts most of their history. I don't accept that logic for several reasons. First I don't believe that Thor with the power gem was that much more powerful than his normal self. I believe normal Thor could take it to Thanos if he is determined enough (like his fights with the celestials and the destroyer). Second, I believe Zues and Odin are so far beyond Thanos that they could possible do something nasty to Thanos with a mere gesture. Whether it be a curse, take away part or all of Thano's power, or something else that is very nasty. He's never done it to Thanos but then again the writer didn't make him even try. Either the writer didn't know what Odin is truly capable of or Odin was merely jobbing to Thanos (which is called PIS). I mean if Thanos can override any of Odin's enchantments then that means he could possibly lift Mjolnir without being worthy. But since he can't then I don't see Thanos getting over if Odin chooses to curse his arms not to be lifted or anything else very nasty. The fact that he can't beat most high end top tiers without tech. I disregard the Surfer fights because Surfer fought stupidly. Tech puts him at high end top tier.
Originally posted by King KandyI don't think the guy has read one thor comic. He doesn't know he took all the asgardian souls and created the destroyer armor just for this purpose or the fact that he and two other skyfathers couldn't even phase Arishem with a combined blast. he just wikis stuff and makes up the rest.
His "fight" with the celestials? You mean when he completely failed to even get Exitar to notice him, WHILE he was using special equipment that amped him?
Originally posted by King KandyIt's so hard to debate with someone who ignores the comics and wants to go based on feats. Then when you do that he still ignores certain feats and common knowledge.
It's especially funny because in the godblast thread he says penetrating Exitar's shell is meaningless, but here he is playing it up like some great feat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's so hard to debate with someone who ignores the comics and wants to go based on feats. Then when you do that he still ignores certain feats and common knowledge.