Originally posted by Wei PhoenixWar Hulk crushed Cain. WW Hulk could do the same if he were angry enough and had that been his goal. He was just looking for the quickest path to Prof. X.
Because it won't hurt and he'll never keep Cain down that way and when they did fight h2h Cain had the advantage.
Originally posted by quanchi112
War Hulk crushed Cain. WW Hulk could do the same if he were angry enough and had that been his goal. He was just looking for the quickest path to Prof. X.
War Hulk had something WWH didn't, and WWH didn't crush Cain at all. He KO'd and beat everyone before him, but had trouble when he fought Cain. Are you telling me WWH wasn't extremely angry already? If he was looking for the quickest path then he would've BFR'd everyone instead of taking the time to knock them out.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixThat was towards the end of his long battle. He locked horns with Juggs and stood his ground. He saw an opening and took it.
War Hulk had something WWH didn't, and WWH didn't crush Cain at all. He KO'd and beat everyone before him, but had trouble when he fought Cain. Are you telling me WWH wasn't extremely angry already? If he was looking for the quickest path then he would've BFR'd everyone instead of taking the time to knock them out.
I don't think WW Hulk was even remotely worked up.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixThis is WW Hulk not savage. Strongest, tactical Hulk. He was a beast.
That opening aka the lake was PIS in the first place. That lake was a horrible cop out.When has Savage Hulk ever showed the strength or determination to do what he did? Bending and breaking Colossus' wrists?
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixI disagree. WW Hulk although not in an overall good mood wasn't really worked up. he spared every life throughout the entire story and only got worked up when he found out he had been deceived.
It was that this was WWH not savage. Strongest, tactical Hulk doing things that Savage hasn't done I.E. breaking Colossus giving Wolverine brain damage etc. He was already worked up. The writer could only have him bfr him through PIS means.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Hulk doesn't have the OP and why can't Cain leap like Hulk? He didn't BFR him during their first fight, he was still in viewing distance. IIRC Cain didn't even hit the mountain.
Well, you don't recall correctly at all.
Notice the flight path doesn't arc at all. It's a straight line, meaning Juggernaut was tossed with a great deal of force. Not to mention the angle is very high. It's undeniable; if not for the mountain, it would've been a decisive BFR. If anything, the mountain was PIS for Juggernaut, showing that he got right back up and ready for more action, just to make sure not to hurt the Juggy fanbase. Just look at the shot. It's the only mountain in the whole f*cking sky. Juggernaut happens to hit it?
And why can't Cain leap like Hulk? Simple. He never has. And with the many times he's been BFR'd or having someone flee from him, he's never leaped to return to the battlefield or to catch up with his enemies. To me, that screams "no significant leaping power". He's a tank to be sure. But agility is certainly not his strong suit. After all, given his phenomenal durability, he spends more time swatting away attacks and laughing at them then he does zigging and zagging or hop, skip, jumping across the land. Not to mention jumping wouldn't display his momentum power at all. That's why we often see him lumbering across hundreds of miles without fatiguing, having trains wrap around him without him so much as budging an inch. Whether Juggernaut can or can't jump, he simply never has. Not to Hulk's extent.
And as for the OP? 😆
Look, Hulk doesn't need the OP. He's BFR'd Juggernaut, and worse, before. And the OP didn't stand up to Hulk all that well on Sakaar, either. Skaar has the OP as a plot-device to put him up in the league. WWHulk is a planet buster. Are you really really trying to say that someone who can trash a planet by stomping or pull it back together by hand, can't BFR a mere thousand pound man? Hell, Green Scar pulled Sakaar back together even before the warp core explosion amped his powers.
And finally, no, WWHulk never struggled against any of his opponents. If he were struggling, he would've gone World Breaker out of desperation. Juggernaut is the only one that said he intended to trash the other. WWHulk, on the other hand, said he didn't have time for it. He was very busy, what with sacking New York and all. So while Juggernaut was trying his hardest, WWHulk wasn't even really into it.
Against WWHulk, Juggernaut is outclassed in almost every way. Strength, speed, HF, agility, fighting ability, intelligence, and strategy. Juggernaut's only shot at staying in a fight is his momentum power, durability, and stamina. And that only goes so far. And a Superman that doesn't blitz would 10/10 get the DOS treatment. But ten seconds after the fight is over, WWHulk won't have a scratch on him.
Originally posted by Master Court
Well, you don't recall correctly at all.Notice the flight path doesn't arc at all. It's a straight line, meaning Juggernaut was tossed with a great deal of force. Not to mention the angle is very high. It's undeniable; if not for the mountain, it would've been a decisive BFR. If anything, the mountain was PIS for Juggernaut, showing that he got right back up and ready for more action, just to make sure not to hurt the Juggy fanbase. Just look at the shot. It's the only mountain in the whole f*cking sky. Juggernaut happens to hit it?
And why can't Cain leap like Hulk? Simple. He never has. And with the many times he's been BFR'd or having someone flee from him, he's never leaped to return to the battlefield or to catch up with his enemies. To me, that screams "no significant leaping power". He's a tank to be sure. But agility is certainly not his strong suit. After all, given his phenomenal durability, he spends more time swatting away attacks and laughing at them then he does zigging and zagging or hop, skip, jumping across the land. Not to mention jumping wouldn't display his momentum power at all. That's why we often see him lumbering across hundreds of miles without fatiguing, having trains wrap around him without him so much as budging an inch. Whether Juggernaut can or can't jump, he simply never has. Not to Hulk's extent.
And as for the OP? 😆
Look, Hulk doesn't need the OP. He's BFR'd Juggernaut, and worse, before. And the OP didn't stand up to Hulk all that well on Sakaar, either. Skaar has the OP as a plot-device to put him up in the league. WWHulk is a planet buster. Are you really really trying to say that someone who can trash a planet by stomping or pull it back together by hand, can't BFR a mere thousand pound man? Hell, Green Scar pulled Sakaar back together even before the warp core explosion amped his powers.
And finally, no, WWHulk never struggled against any of his opponents. If he were struggling, he would've gone World Breaker out of desperation. Juggernaut is the only one that said he intended to trash the other. WWHulk, on the other hand, said he didn't have time for it. He was very busy, what with sacking New York and all. So while Juggernaut was trying his hardest, WWHulk wasn't even really into it.
Against WWHulk, Juggernaut is outclassed in almost every way. Strength, speed, HF, agility, fighting ability, intelligence, and strategy. Juggernaut's only shot at staying in a fight is his momentum power, durability, and stamina. And that only goes so far. And a Superman that doesn't blitz would 10/10 get the DOS treatment. But ten seconds after the fight is over, WWHulk won't have a scratch on him.
The mountain wasn't PIS, the X-Men were. If he threw him so hard you don't think he would go through the mountain? Cain's HF is just as good as Hulk's he just doesn't rely on it. Enlighten me though what is it that Hulk has that Cain doesn't that allows him to jump so high even though I just showed you him jumping high and knocking Stranger down.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The mountain wasn't PIS, the X-Men were. If he threw him so hard you don't think he would go through the mountain? Cain's HF is just as good as Hulk's he just doesn't rely on it. Enlighten me though what is it that Hulk has that Cain doesn't that allows him to jump so high even though I just showed you him jumping high and knocking Stranger down.
Look, the flight path is a direct line at a high angle. It's very possible, believe it or not, that the writer simply didn't want Juggernaut to go through the mountain. You can't consider real world physics 100% of the time in comics. Since Juggernaut weighs like a thousand pounds, it would take a considerable amount of force to throw him in a direct line at that angle. And in the real world, he wouldn't have just smacked against the side. In the real world, he would have gone through that thin chunk of rock. Or, thinking a little more scientifically, we could consider the size of Juggernaut. Maybe he covered enough surface area to dampen the momentum of the throw or something. It's hard to tell with that shot. But if the mountain weren't there, you really think Juggernaut would've just fallen a few feet later? It was clearly drawn to be a powerful throw. That's likely why they chose a mountain to be the object that stops his flight.
As for the jumping, I never said he couldn't jump at all. I said he couldn't jump like Hulk. He can't. Now, having never read that issue or seen that punching-Stranger scan before, I had to do a little math. Nothing serious. But, considering the average human head is about ten inches in height, and Juggernaut is typically drawn to be about nine feet tall, I figure Stranger's head in the top half of the page is a bit less than 25 feet in height. Given the proportional size of the body to the head, that would put the Stranger at about 200 feet tall. Correct me if I'm wrong. However, if I'm right, then Juggernaut only jumps up a mere 200 feet in that shot. And there are over 5000 feet in a single mile. Has Juggernaut ever jumped a mile? Because Hulk clears hundreds of miles in a single jump. He's leaped across states. Hercules is shown to be strong enough to bare the Earth on his shoulders, but even he can't jump more than a couple hundred feet. Or, if he can, they've never shown it. So, again, if Hulk gets Juggernaut off the ground, which he's done before, he could easily throw Juggernaut miles and miles away, have a snack and a nap, and still be gone before Juggernaut gets back. Juggernaut, however, can throw Hulk as hard as he wants. Hulk can clear more than a few hundred miles per jump, and he leaps at mach speeds. He'd be back in the battlefield in a couple minutes, if not less.
I hope you get it now. BFR Juggernaut a mere ten miles, and he's gone for a while. BFR Hulk a hundred miles, he's back in twenty seconds, maybe less.
