Originally posted by Master Court
Here's your answer...
Good job ignoring context. J2 stalemated a Gravage-esque Hulk for nearly an entire book. This is the same Hulk that Thor said would take a GF blast to put down permanently in Last Hero Standing.
As for how powerful Juggernaut is in MC2? It's the same Juggernaut, but at that point his power started to diminish around the time J2 discovered his power. At the time, MC2 was suppose to be the definitive future of the 616 reality, but Marvel has backed-off that stance a bit since then.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Good job ignoring context. J2 stalemated a Gravage-esque Hulk for nearly an entire book. This is the same Hulk that Thor said would take a GF blast to put down permanently in Last Hero Standing.As for how powerful Juggernaut is in MC2? It's the same Juggernaut, but at that point his power started to diminish around the time J2 discovered his power. At the time, MC2 was suppose to be the definitive future of the 616 reality, but Marvel has backed-off that stance a bit since then.
Bullsh*t on the context-ignoring. He admitted to himself that he was on the verge of losing and that he was lucky to have escaped with his life.
Originally posted by Master Court
Bullsh*t on the context-ignoring. He admitted to himself that he was on the verge of losing and that he was lucky to have escaped with his life.
No, that scan is from the very end of the fight. He went toe to toe with Hulk to whole fight, no one had the advantage.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
J2 is far weaker than his dad. He doesn't have the shield nor does he have unlimited stamina. He can also be hurt. He was basically drawing his power from his dad. So he definitely didn't have all of it.
His bio says it has more to do with his age. As he gets older his powers will grow.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
No, that scan is from the very end of the fight. He went toe to toe with Hulk to whole fight, no one had the advantage.
Who the f*ck do you think you're fooling, here? Stop the bullsh*t, alright? They were not f*cking going toe-to-toe. Around the middle, J2 got in some good shots, but the second he paused, Hulk slugged him really f*cking hard. J2 himself repeatedly commented to himself that he was in deep sh*t, commenting that one of Hulk's blows would have "taken his head off". Hulk noticed J2 doesn't have the mystical shield, J2 comments that he himself is not as strong or tough as Juggernaut, he comments that his muscles are trembling and aching to keep up with Hulk, he comments that after he got a shot in on the Hulk it would've been smarter to "run for the exit". For f*ck's sake! J2 even states in a narrative box "It's a savage brutal contest that I'm destined to lose." Namor called the fight off, but J2 repeatedly acknowledged he was way in over his head for this fight. Stating that the Hulk is getting stronger and stronger, that his attacks were becoming more devastating by the second, and he prepared for the inevitable. That's when Namor ended the fight.
J2's powers will grow in the future, yes. But for now, he doesn't cut the mustard, amigo.
Actually, while J2 was trading blows, and he got a few good shots off on Hulk, it was Hulk who had the definitive upperhand in that fight. Like Master said, J2 was scared and hurting that whole fight, he even admitted he was lucky to get away. You can trade blows with someone and still be losing. Skaar vs Juggernaut, Colossus vs Sym, Juggernaut vs Venom. All those are evidences of a person fighting back, but in no way winning.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I said no one had the advantage, not that J2 was winning.No one had the advantage in that fight. That fight went on for 10 pages before it stopped, Master shows 2 pages and passes them off as definitive evidence.
They are definitive. You know why? Because the question wasn't "Who was doing better in the fight." The f*cking question was "How powerful is J2?" Answer; nowhere near as powerful as Juggernaut. Which means, in this thread, J2 is a weak link just like Ares and Wrecker. Maybe down the line, J2 can pop in for a few rounds. But not now. Now, Hulk loses because his partner is Juggernaut Junior who thinks he's "cute" and considered giving up.
And like I said, J2's last narrative comment before Namor ended the fight was "I dig deep and prepare for the inevitable." Meaning J2 was bracing himself, and if Namor didn't end the fight, J2 knew damn well he was going to get sh*t-stomped.
