Agent Orange vs SC AM

Started by xJLxKing6 pages
xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by -Pr-
he made short work of the controllers. that alone should signify just how powerful the guy is. would he physically take that blast and tank it? probably not.

and its a fair point, but in any thread with larfleeze, he gets his corps.


👆 👆You are right. He killed the controllers who are just as strong as the Guardians. There is nothing to indicate he can't lose especially when you take into account both their encounters.

IIRC he already took on all guardians but I could have it wrong in mind though.

Yes, he did. He was winning on both times

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by xJLxKing
was it ever stated hwo strong the attack was? I don't remember?
you mean the detonation of warworld? yeah, it was stated:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7110/ww1z.jpg
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anyhow, it's a good point that larf was able to defeat the controllers with a fair amount of ease. however, i am of the opinion that a.) larf can't deal out enough initial damage to defeat AM, and b.) an anti-matter wave would be more than sufficient to destroy him.

xJLxKing Senior Member
Originally posted by Galan007
you mean the detonation of warworld? yeah, it was stated:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7110/ww1z.jpg
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anyhow, it's a good point that larf was able to defeat the controllers with a fair amount of ease. however, i am of the opinion that a.) larf can't deal out enough initial damage to defeat AM, and b.) an anti-matter wave would be more than sufficient to destroy him.

Thanks for the scan, can't believe I missed it.

Yeah, the CW/Anti-Matter Wave is dangerous. I asked this before, I want to know what people think. Can he absorb it.

Kris Blaze Restricted
Originally posted by Galan007
you mean the detonation of warworld? yeah, it was stated:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7110/ww1z.jpg
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anyhow, it's a good point that larf was able to defeat the controllers with a fair amount of ease. however, i am of the opinion that a.) larf can't deal out enough initial damage to defeat AM, and b.) an anti-matter wave would be more than sufficient to destroy him.

After the detonation of warworld, AM was broken though. Prime attacked him and threw him into space and he fell apart. Nor do I doubt that the power of the entire Orange Lantern corps is enough to kill the Anti Monitor.

Utrigita Senior Member

Has anyone in DC managed to absorb the antimatter wave that SC AM utilized?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, the CW/Anti-Matter Wave is dangerous. I asked this before, I want to know what people think. Can he absorb it.
if there was a character capable of absorbing the anti-matter wave, surely said character would have stepped up before AM destroyed an infinite amount of universes during COIE. hell, the only reason AM's newly born anti-matter wave was stopped during SC was because ALL of the guardians broke his concentration by sneaking up and simultaneously attacking him.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
After the detonation of warworld, AM was broken though. Prime attacked him and threw him into space and he fell apart. Nor do I doubt that the power of the entire Orange Lantern corps is enough to kill the Anti Monitor.
granted AM's shell was ruptured, but immediately after the detonation, AM dished out a blast that atomized 4-5 GL's, iirc - ie. he was far from powerless.

regardless, i can't imagine larf having sufficient energy to destroy a galaxy, when it took the detonation of the SC/fear battery + warworld to do so..

Kris Blaze Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
granted AM's shell was ruptured, but immediately after the detonation, AM dished out a blast that atomized 4-5 GL's, iirc - ie. he was far from powerless.

regardless, i can't imagine larf having sufficient energy to destroy a galaxy, when it took the detonation of the SC/fear battery + warworld to do so..

Killed 3 green lanterns and they were random fodder. Hell, Salaak DODGED the attack. And it doesn't matter how many fodder he killed (Wildcat beat a yellow lantern, the fodder is shit) because after a toss into space he fell apart. Attacks from the Guardians tore off pieces of his armour as well. You don't need a galaxy levelling blast to take him out.

Regardless, Larfleeze has a guardian, 5 collectors and the power backing up an entire corpse and so on. This power has been growing for eons.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Killed 3 green lanterns and they were random fodder. Hell, Salaak DODGED the attack. And it doesn't matter how many fodder he killed (Wildcat beat a yellow lantern, the fodder is shit) because after a toss into space he fell apart. Attacks from the Guardians tore off pieces of his armour as well. You don't need a galaxy levelling blast to take him out.

Regardless, Larfleeze has a guardian, 5 collectors and the power backing up an entire corpse and so on. This power has been growing for eons.


when i brought up the lanterns AM fried post-detonation, it was meant to represent the fact that he was not powerless afterward [meaning it would take MORE than a galaxy busting explosion to down him for any length of time.]

are you really surprised johns would have prime throw him into space? i'm not. it was the perfect setup for blackest night.

as for pieces of AM's armor being torn off by the guardians' attacks, who cares? SO many people forget that he is more than capable of functioning without it.

i know the level of power larf is working with, but considering what was required to 'defeat' AM, i personally don't think it'd be enough.

xJLxKing Senior Member

While we are on the subject of AM, who was the skeleton near the arm when he was thrown by Prime. Also, who was the black figure that screamed when he landed where the "soon to be" black battery home planet?

The armor to AM is nothing. He can live without it

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by xJLxKing
While we are on the subject of AM, who was the skeleton near the arm when he was thrown by Prime. Also, who was the black figure that screamed when he landed where the "soon to be" black battery home planet?

The armor to AM is nothing. He can live without it

the skeleton was henshaw.

the being that 'imprisoned' AM when he landed is unknown as of now. though it was probably nekron.

Kris Blaze Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
when i brought up the lanterns AM fried post-detonation, it was meant to represent the fact that he was not powerless afterward [meaning it would take MORE than a galaxy busting explosion to down him for any length of time.]

are you really surprised johns would have prime throw him into space? i'm not. it was the perfect setup for blackest night.

as for pieces of AM's armor being torn off by the guardians' attacks, who cares? SO many people forget that he is more than capable of functioning without it.

i know the level of power larf is working with, but considering what was required to 'defeat' AM, i personally don't think it'd be enough.

You're right. He can do well without his armour.

It still looked like a way for Johns to gauge the damage done to him. The state of him seemed to deterioate around the same time as the armour. I understand that it is not -because- the armour was breached, but TO ME it looked like that's how Johns wanted it to look.

My point was that the guardians could hurt him. Now, while we're onto this, how powerful do you think the Guardians are? Everybody's throwing these guys around as Thanos level, but if the collective power of like 6 can not destroy a galaxy, how powerful are they? I think that they're more than powerful enough to hurt him, which means that they can kill him.

Larfleeze alone seems to have more than enough power to match the guardians, not to mention the insanely powerful members of his corps.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Kris Blaze

It still looked like a way for Johns to gauge the damage done to him. The state of him seemed to deterioate around the same time as the armour. I understand that it is not -because- the armour was breached, but TO ME it looked like that's how Johns wanted it to look.

My point was that the guardians could hurt him. Now, while we're onto this, how powerful do you think the Guardians are? Everybody's throwing these guys around as Thanos level, but if the collective power of like 6 can not destroy a galaxy, how powerful are they? I think that they're more than powerful enough to hurt him, which means that they can kill him.

Larfleeze alone seems to have more than enough power to match the guardians, not to mention the insanely powerful members of his corps.

imo, if AM was intended to have been all but beaten [post-detonation], johns wouldn't of had him destroy several lanterns immediately after the blast occured. but johns did need a way for AM to get to the BL home world [enter prime's pre-crisisness.]

the guardians MIGHT have been able to eventually defeat AM, but that would have a.) required him to not really defend himself [we saw what a simple touch can do], and b.) it would more than likely have taken a great deal of time. afterall, had the guardians been able to reasonably defeat AM, the detonation of warworld would not have been required.

i agree that larf has the potential to match the guardians - possibly even defeat them in time. however, AM proved to be more than a match for the guardians, and that was while he was also having to deal with the numerous other characters involved in that little drama.

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

ok while you guys go a little off topic here and there does anyone knows or thinks to know what being appears or happens at all on 100% Power Level of the BL? I hope not the AM

xJLxKing Senior Member

That touch was enough to kill a Guardian. That's crazy!

ok while you guys go a little off topic here and there does anyone knows or thinks to know what being appears or happens at all on 100% Power Level of the BL? I hope not the AM

most likely Nekron is free to enter the universe

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by xJLxKing
That touch was enough to kill a Guardian. That's crazy!
the touch didn't kill her, it owned and scarred her.

now she's the guardian of the black lanterns, and ironically enough, goes by the name of "scar."

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Thanks for the scan, can't believe I missed it.

Yeah, the CW/Anti-Matter Wave is dangerous. I asked this before, I want to know what people think. Can he absorb it.

There is no evidence whatsoever. We also saw what kind of damage his touch had on the guardians as well. Larfleeze hasn't shown anything imo to be able to take on someone like Prime or Sc Am.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he made short work of the controllers. that alone should signify just how powerful the guy is. would he physically take that blast and tank it? probably not.

and its a fair point, but in any thread with larfleeze, he gets his corps.

Ok, but what have they really done? I think it's impressive but Am level, no.

I know he gets the constructs but they are only .5 kms away.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is no evidence whatsoever. We also saw what kind of damage his touch had on the guardians as well. Larfleeze hasn't shown anything imo to be able to take on someone like Prime or Sc Am.

Ok, but what have they really done? I think it's impressive but Am level, no.

I know he gets the constructs but they are only .5 kms away.

they're guardian level.

the .5km away is the big problem, but unless AM can hit him with an all encompassing AM wave, Lar is going to have more and more chances of winning...

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by -Pr-
they're guardian level.

the .5km away is the big problem, but unless AM can hit him with an all encompassing AM wave, Lar is going to have more and more chances of winning...

Yes, but the guardians haven't really proven themselves imo. I see them as above top tier, but how much so is the question? They seemed ineffective against Am while they were all assembled to beat him.

I haven't seen Larfleeze show me anything like he's able to take on the forces Am took on. This matchup will be determined on how much distance he can cover if he doesn't take him out with one of his attacks.

I personally don't think Larfleeze has the power to take him out before so.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

concerning larf's ownage of the controllers, are we talking about the instance in "green lantern" #39, or is there a more recent battle between them i haven't read? because in the aforementioned issue, the controllers were not ready for any sort of attack from the orange battery/larf - they were caught completely off guard:
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/7448/ao1.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/4585/ao2.jpg

had the controllers been prepared for the onslaught, things may have very well been different. afterall, a *prepared* guardian was more than capable of dealing with the same type of 'attack'... with a fair amount of ease:
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2967/ao3.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1604/ao4i.jpg

so either a.) the controllers could have easily dealt with the first situation, had they known what was about to happen, or b.) the controllers aren't really guardian level. [i think it's the former, personally.]

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
the touch didn't kill her, it owned and scarred her.

now she's the guardian of the black lanterns, and ironically enough, goes by the name of "scar."


Actually, in the interview with John(or w.e. his name is), he admitted that Scar was dead since her encounter with AM.