Originally posted by xJLxKing
are you seriously going to say that a battlezone match wont prove anything??I understand what you are saying, but you don't seem to be understanding anything I say!
Also, I forgot that Flash steals kinetic energy, he did state it against Amazo. It wasn't a good example.Either way, you should know that everything in our universe has a frequency, and vibration.
http://www.mindreality.com/science-of-vibration-in-every-aspect-of-physical
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070804144645AAAO5MJ
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http://www.dblondin.com/092506.htmlThough, I will say this. This "argument" that the people on Thor's side came up with is just another defense that people try to exploit in order to give their characters a chance.
In the end, even Marvel has a vibration. It's different kind of vibration, but nevertheless, it's a vibration.
BTW, this wasn't my find, it was Spire's. The dude knows why he talks about 😎
Interesting find.
However as Kris mentioned it seems that this is a very place -specific attack as seen in supermans statement about the worlds of the multiverse vibrating together. Further he didnt even use said attack on a physical being but rather on a dying essence it seems. Therefore it would still be quite stretch to think that such an attack would work on Thor without us having seen superman use it in any other scenario on any other being similar to thor.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Interesting find.However as Kris mentioned it seems that this is a very place -specific attack as seen in supermans statement about the worlds of the multiverse vibrating together. Further he didnt even use said attack on a physical being but rather on a dying essence it seems. Therefore it would still be quite stretch to think that such an attack would work on Thor without us having seen superman use it in any other scenario on any other being similar to thor.
Yes, you are right, Superman did use it on DS who didn't have a body. However, we have to go by the meaning as well. Superman stated that the vibration of all the 52 universes were making the sound of an orchestra(with super-hearing). We know all the universes vibrate at different frequency in the same space which is why they never meet( I think Jay, or Wally stated this when they were playing with the treadmill). Now how would them vibrating together(at the same time) change anything about what Superman can do?
All he wanted to prove is that everything vibrates and even Darksied and if you can counter the vibration pattern with the same pattern it cancels it out. That's all he meant.
As for doing to other beings. I don't see why he can't. Yeah, it would most likely take more power(but I don't see why Superman can't apply more sound). Also, you should note that you don't have to cancel the entire vibration. Even partial can destroy an arm, head,etc.
That's how I see it. In the end, it's more of a PIS move then anything else
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Like I said it wasn't my find. Spire told me about the Vibrating and he post the video. I just found the other linksYes, you are right, Superman did use it on DS who didn't have a body. However, we have to go by the meaning as well. Superman stated that the vibration of all the 52 universes were making the sound of an orchestra(with super-hearing). We know all the universes vibrate at different frequency in the same space which is why they never meet( I think Jay, or Wally stated this when they were playing with the treadmill). Now how would them vibrating together(at the same time) change anything about what Superman can do?
All he wanted to prove is that everything vibrates and even Darksied and if you can counter the vibration pattern with the same pattern it cancels it out. That's all he meant.
As for doing to other beings. I don't see why he can't. Yeah, it would most likely take more power(but I don't see why Superman can't apply more sound). Also, you should note that you don't have to cancel the entire vibration. Even partial can destroy an arm, head,etc.
That's how I see it. In the end, it's more of a PIS move then anything else
alot of that is just speculation. we dont know the specifics and what it would take to counter vibrate a physical being as opposed to an essence (which is more like direct energy). Another thing is that counter-vibration is seemingly an attack directly on the molecules of the opponenrnt. We dont know how this would affect a being with highly resistant molecules like thor since it he never even tried it on a physical being at all. Further superman refraining from using said move throughout the arc it lends credence to the point that some circumstances may have made that move possible. There are way to many ambiguities for you to stretch it and say it would work on thor.
Originally posted by Naija boy
alot of that is just speculation. we dont know the specifics and what it would take to counter vibrate a physical being as opposed to an essence (which is more like direct energy). Another thing is that counter-vibration is seemingly an attack directly on the molecules of the opponenrnt. We dont know how this would affect a being with highly resistant molecules like thor since it he never even tried it on a physical being at all. Further superman refraining from using said move throughout the arc it lends credence to the point that some circumstances may have made that move possible. There are way to many ambiguities for you to stretch it and say it would work on thor.
I don't understand what you mean why Thor having resistance to having his molecules. He has no control over that. Furthermore, Superman doesn't have to chance much. He can cancel out his arm, leg...etc. He doesn't have to counter all the vibration, it can be specific.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor vs. Presence:Since I saw this being referred to. Yea, he can drain Superman of his Solar Radiation if he has to.
Thor wins this fight by the way.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yes, I am stretching it out. It's a move that was only used once to kill DS for good. It was a perfect time to use it.I don't understand what you mean why Thor having resistance to having his molecules. He has no control over that. Furthermore, Superman doesn't have to chance much. He can cancel out his arm, leg...etc. He doesn't have to counter all the vibration, it can be specific.
Im saying that thor has shown resistance to his molecules being affected in a numerous amount of ways. i.e transmuted,aged,stopping his molecular motion etc. Hence his molecules have proven resistant to all sorts of tampering. Superman hasnt used this counter-vibrating into nothingness ability on a physical being at all let alone one with such high resistance to such attacks. Not only that but circumstances seem to have played a part in that scenario (where exactly was he when he used the move?). Your cant claim that he could specifically cancel out a leg an arm etc when we dont even know how this would affect physical beings. Frankly ur speculating with very little to go on here.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Maybe I am being a little picky here, but doesn't it say on the top panel that that the presence cannot turn his blast off?
Also, I don't see how this will defeat Superman. You think Superman will just stand there and let Thor do what he does??
Yes, that's a result of Thor draining his energy. The Presence might want to stop, but Thor doesn't. His draining his energy against his will.
Hence why if Superman uses heat vision, it'll be a bad idea (Not that it'll do anything.). Thor can simple drain him of all his energy instantly like he did to the Null Bomb. Superman won't be able to do anything if Thor starts this method.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman can just change his vibration pattern to differ from Thor's.You are right, it would take more, but Superman can still do it while fighting Thor. It's not like he can't prepare. All he needs to do is attack using HV, Punches, and a few other stuff to keep thor busy. It's not like Thor will know that the "song" will kill him
and thor would just have to crack his hammer to let loose lightnings with power that can knockout hulk, hail and snow that can match the coldest of temperatues and winds and hurricanes that can redirect planetoids to keep superman busy
its not like superman knows that the life drain or soul drain will kill him. and no, superman won't vibrate through a life soul drain. its magical and spiritual in nature. it doesn't target any physical aspect but the spiritual aspect. and no form of vibration or intangibility is gonna save superman from that
plus thor can throw pies at light speed! can superman do that?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I love how in these scenarios Thor seems to be portrayed like a slug. I mean it's not like Thor has shown that he can achieve easily faster than light self propelled flight (Without Mjolnir), and has been shown to react by the micro second and at the speed of thought etc.
thor can move at the speed of light. to be able to hurl a piece of pie at the speed of light, thor would also have to be moving at the speed of ligh or at least his arm should be moving at the speed of light to transfer the momentum and velocity from his arm to the pie.
so, yeah, i just proved that thor can move at the speed of light with a pie 😛
hence this nullifies superman's only advantage. no speed advantage = thor wins every single time 😆
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusthor is very slow in comparison to Superman. that is indisbutable.
I love how in these scenarios Thor seems to be portrayed like a slug. I mean it's not like Thor has shown that he can achieve easily faster than light self propelled flight (Without Mjolnir), and has been shown to react by the micro second and at the speed of thought etc.
