Originally posted by inimalist
aside from rampant bigotry, why would you care if you had a loving set of homosexual parents over a loving set of heterosexual parents?make me look foolish if it is so obvious
I was very lucky to have had the parents I did. I also see a mother and a father as normal. Having 2 of each isn't. If seeing it that way makes me a bigot then so be it.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
I was very lucky to have had the parents I did. I also see a mother and a father as normal. Having 2 of each isn't. If seeing it that way makes me a bigot then so be it.
If I said: 'I see having two parents of the same skin-color and ethnicity as being normal, all other unions aren't.'
Would you consider this bigotry on my part?
Originally posted by Robtard
If I said: 'I see having two parents of the same skin-color and ethnicity as being normal, all other unions aren't.'Would you consider this bigotry on my part?
Yes I would but it's apples to oranges. Two people of different races, provided they are opposite genders can produce a child, two people of the same sex cannot.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Yes I would but it's apples to oranges. Two people of different races, provided they are opposite genders can produce a child, two people of the same sex cannot.
So you're equating the ability to conceive a child with the ability to raise it. By that line of thinking, shouldn't we ban gay people from owning pets?
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Yes I would but it's apples to oranges. Two people of different races, provided they are opposite genders can produce a child, two people of the same sex cannot.
There are hetero couples who cannot "produce" children, should this disqualify them from raising an adopted or surrogate child too?
Originally posted by inimalist
"its not ok to be a racist, but I'm very comfortable with my homophobia for these reasons"
Bingo.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
They are equal in the sense that as natural rights you are guaranteed those and unless you have denied those rights to others, they cannot be taken away by any government.
Right. I agree there. I just don't think all of those natural rights are equal. Sure, they can be classed the same, but I don't want people believing being unable to marry is the same thing as getting murdered.
Well, everyone here can call me a homophobe....whatever. I am opposed to gays or lesbians being able to adopt children and that isn't going to change. As for the marriage issue, like I've said in numerous forums before and probably this one as well I'm opposed to the legal recognition of marriage.....for anyone. If someone, gay or straight, wants to consider themself married then fine. If they want their religion to view them as married then that's ok too but there should be no such thing as a marriage license.
I am opposed to minority status for gays, and everyone else too. There should be no such thing as minority status.
As for what 2 or more consenting people do in private, that's nobody's business but their own.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Well, everyone here can call me a homophobe....whatever. I am opposed to gays or lesbians being able to adopt children and that isn't going to change.
Yeah, but you are like what...50? Things have a way of sorting themselves out.
The rest of your post, which I cut out though, I agree with fully though.
Good to see that despite the fact that there's no real data either way, that anyone who even dares suggest that having 2 gay parents might be even in the slightet way detrimental are hounded as being homophobic facists. Especially given that the 2 points being argued are completely different. Those who suggest it might be detrimental are saying that it could be because the child may be bullied as a result (as the child of any minority may be subject to) yet the opposition to that is "It doesn't mean that gay people can't bring up childen"....How are those 2 things even remotely related?
Originally posted by jaden101
Good to see that despite the fact that there's no real data either way, that anyone who even dares suggest that having 2 gay parents might be even in the slightet way detrimental are hounded as being homophobic facists. Especially given that the 2 points being argued are completely different. Those who suggest it might be detrimental are saying that it could be because the child may be bullied as a result (as the child of any minority may be subject to) yet the opposition to that is "It doesn't mean that gay people can't bring up childen"....How are those 2 things even remotely related?
Forgetting for a second that hardly anyone was called a homophobe, he did state that his opinion is they shouldn't be able to adopt and that it won't change. That obviously implies that it is due to other factors than the child being bullied since that is not necessarily the case, not proven that it is contrary to their development either way and not something that couldn't change.
I agree with you in theory, of course, I don't think that this has really happened here though. The only thing close to it is what inimalist said, and that was an example I think, not him calling anyone that.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Majoritarianism ❌
Exactly. The rights of the few are not up to the whims and misinformed bigotry of the majority. Sadly, in this republic, that has fallen by the wayside in light of the party politics and media-driven hot button issues that have pundits from both parties running around the living room like a starving dog being teased with a piece of steak. For every right wing politician that gains 10 percentage points for bashing homosexuals, there's a liberal politician that gains 10 points for supporting it. In either case, these are the rights and lives of real people. These are real families. For everyone on either side of the debate (Which is all it really is, let's be honest. This has little to do with definitive scientific research on child rearing.) there needs to be some understanding that it is simply none of your ****ing business. Not caring what someone does in the privacy of their own bedroom is totally undermined as an outlook when you walk into a voting booth and pass judgment by casting a ballot that shows how you care all too much about what they do in privacy because it isn't what you do in privacy.
As for children being harassed by class mates for having gay parents, I'd like for one single person on either side of the debate to say that they weren't harassed for some reason when they were kids. Wrong hair cut, wrong clothes, wrong siblings, gay themselves, fat, poor, rich, diligent in their studies, learning disabled. We all have our sad stories.
Here's a study for you. My gay cousin and his partner adopted a boy when he was five years old and his little sister when she was three. The two children came from a family where the father is and has been in prison for most of their lives. The mom, who was addicted to drugs, used to hide the two children in closets or out on the balcony while she screwed men who would pay her for sex.
Now, the two children live with my cousin and his partner in San Diego, California in a huge Spanish style home on a hill with a pool in the backyard. Both thier parents have jobs; my cousin is a computer programmer, his partner is a registered nurse.
According to my study, those kids are far better off with two gay dads than two **cked up biological parents that are straight.
Originally posted by Tired-Hiker
Here's a study for you. My gay cousin and his partner adopted a boy when he was five years old and his little sister when she was three. The two children came from a family where the father is and has been in prison for most of their lives. The mom, who was addicted to drugs, used to hide the two children in closets or out on the balcony while she screwed men who would pay her for sex.Now, the two children live with my cousin and his partner in San Diego, California in a huge Spanish style home on a hill with a pool in the backyard. Both thier parents have jobs; my cousin is a computer programmer, his partner is a registered nurse.
According to my study, those kids are far better off with two gay dads than two **cked up biological parents that are straight.
But haven't you read James Dobson's book? Neglecting your kids, showing them your weiner, and beating the living hell out of them every once in a while stops them from becoming gay and turns them into healthy adults!
Originally posted by Darth Jello
But haven't you read James Dobson's book? Neglecting your kids, showing them your weiner, and beating the living hell out of them every once in a while stops them from becoming gay and turns them into healthy adults!
No, but I might borrow the book on tape version from a friend.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
But haven't you read James Dobson's book? Neglecting your kids, showing them your weiner, and beating the living hell out of them every once in a while stops them from becoming gay and turns them into healthy adults!
Lulz.
So, spanking your children is beating the living hell out of them? Odd. He advocates corporal discipline only occasion...and that was supposed to remain within reason, and while the parent was under control.
Just looked it up on Wiki (lulz): "Anyone who has ever abused a child — or has ever felt himself losing control during a spanking — should not expose the child to that tragedy. Anyone who has a violent temper that at times becomes unmanageable should not use that approach. Anyone who secretly 'enjoys' the administration of corporal punishment should not be the one to implement it."
Though, I disagree with his views on homosexuality, obviously.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Not quite the way he put it on the radio. You still haven't addressed his view that showing your dick to your kids stops them form being gay.
That's probably some overly dramatic thing you thought up or took out of context. (That's usually the case with these types of thing (not with you in particular, but with people in general when they are making a point with hyperbole.))