Personally I'd put Zidane above Cloud. His trance attacks just seem to be on another level (crazyass reality-warping explosions and the like), and some of his cutscenes make it seems like he'd be close physically. Also, Terra was pretty powaful if I recall. And didn't one of the ff8 characters run around the world at light speed at one point?
There are a few FF heroes who would stomp an army of Shepards into the ground without second thought.
*Some FF spoilers ensue*
Cecil from FF IV tanks a direct hit from Bahamut with no damage in The After Years, and then later in the game he solos his Dark Knight self, a being which managed to own the rest of the IV gang including Golbez, who was still walking after being hit with the most powerful magic in the world.
Terra in her normal form without full control of her powers decimated a battalion of elite Magitek soldiers in seconds. In her Esper form she is exponentially stronger and probably the most powerful FF hero overall.
Cloud, well we all know what Cloud can do.
Trance Zidane is not only very agile and has some power behind his blades, but he has powerful Dyne abilities which put him around Cloud's level.
*end spoilers*
These four alone would make life hell for any ME troops trying to fight them and would cause casualties in the tens of thousands in a very short amount of time. They could probably solo given their incredible agility, speed and durability.
Originally posted by The Warlord
I'm not the world's greatest fan of FF, but even I have to say that the FF universe takes out the ME universe,because they are just outclassed.If you want to talk about a better fight, then put FF universe against the Mortal Kombat universe. Now we're getting somwhere
LOL...seriously? You do realize that the ME universe has FTL travel, spaceships and stuff like that, do you?
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
There are a few FF heroes who would stomp an army of Shepards into the ground without second thought.*Some FF spoilers ensue*
Cecil from FF IV tanks a direct hit from Bahamut with no damage in The After Years, and then later in the game he solos his Dark Knight self, a being which managed to own the rest of the IV gang including Golbez, who was still walking after being hit with the most powerful magic in the world.
Terra in her normal form without full control of her powers decimated a battalion of elite Magitek soldiers in seconds. In her Esper form she is exponentially stronger and probably the most powerful FF hero overall.
Cloud, well we all know what Cloud can do.
Trance Zidane is not only very agile and has some power behind his blades, but he has powerful Dyne abilities which put him around Cloud's level.
*end spoilers*
These four alone would make life hell for any ME troops trying to fight them and would cause casualties in the tens of thousands in a very short amount of time. They could probably solo given their incredible agility, speed and durability.
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Can they travel at FTL?
If yes then,
Prove it.
If no then,
All of the above is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
But doesn't FF have gods and demi-gods that have the power to lay waste armies? 😬
Medieval armies, yes.
But not space age armies, and certainly not space fleets...
Originally posted by NemeBro
And MEverse just has gigantic dreadnoughts which can do the same from orbit, including entire legions of even larger Dreadnoughts which can destroy ships like the Ascension in a single shot...
So FF can beat SW universe but not ME, even though SW universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...> ME universe...
I guess me leaving out near-omnis means a lot.
Can they travel at FTL?If yes then,
Prove it.
If no then,
All of the above is irrelevant.
Stop acting as if everything in the ME universe can fight and react at FTL speeds. FTL travel means nothing here as running away is forfeiting and all they can do with FTL is retreat back to their universe because they're getting slaughtered. In a ground battle 4 heroes could take it alone, and in a space/ground battle the demigods take it. Please stop confusing a retreat with a victory.
But doesn't FF have gods and demi-gods that have the power to lay waste armies?
Yeah, but those guys won't help the FF team counterattack the ME universe as they don't have the tech needed to reach it, unless they can go hrough the wormholes the ME team took. Which means their pretty screwed. Not to mention theres only about 3 things in the entire of FF that have shown to survive in space, which are the FF4 party, The FF4 parties spaceship and Garlands (FF9) spaceship.
So unless the playing field is equalised all the FF team can do is get nuked from orbit.
Sephiroth can survive in space easily, as I've already stated he is made up of pure Jenova cells and Jenova traveled from planet to planet without a ship just fine. Kefka is a literal god free from mortal needs like air, food or water, so space poses no problem to him, and Trance Kuja has never demonstrated a need to breath air, and even if he did need to Ultima can be spammed from within the atmosphere.
The ME fleet does nothing here but show up and die, that's a simple fact. If they go back to their world they forfeit, so there's no need for them to be followed from planet to planet, but even if there were a need Kuja makes dimensional barriers his *****, he ripped open a hole to the dimension of Memoria and the crystal world under his own power, so finding the ME universe wouldn't be a big issue for him. Then there's also the rift, a nexus between all universes, they could just travel through there as Gilgamesh does to annihilate the cowardly retreating ME forces.
A strict army vs army, the ME universe will dominate.
If the FF verse includes demi gods then obviously they win.
A better vs would be every single WWII soldier(german, japanese, british, american , russian) vs the regular army in each FF(one at a time).
@Facistcrusader, you sound like you really hate mass effect.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Stop acting as if everything in the ME universe can fight and react at FTL speeds. FTL travel means nothing here as running away is forfeiting and all they can do with FTL is retreat back to their universe because they're getting slaughtered. In a ground battle 4 heroes could take it alone, and in a space/ground battle the demigods take it. Please stop confusing a retreat with a victory.
This is a WAR.
In case you don't know, a war is VERY complex, and "running away" is NOT a loss in a war. In a war, winning a single battle doesn't get you victory, so if they smoke the first invasion force they don't automatically win just because they won a single confrontation. Hit and run attacks to NOT count as forfeit; they are legitimate war tactics.
A shell fired from a dreadnought in space in ME has unlimited range until it hits a large enough object, so the only limit in how far you can fire is a line of sight and accuracy. Therefore, a ME fleet could pound the FF planets from an entire solar system away and FF can't do a thing about it.
How would they get slaughtered? Space ships and guns vs swords and shields? That's a slaughter against FF!
Originally posted by BoratBorat
A strict army vs army, the ME universe will dominate.If the FF verse includes demi gods then obviously they win.
A better vs would be every single WWII soldier(german, japanese, british, american , russian) vs the regular army in each FF(one at a time).
@Facistcrusader, you sound like you really hate mass effect.
Demi gods are not undefeatable, even with demi gods ME universe still dominates.
Last part is still leaning heavily towards Earth, WW2 armies have automatic guns and tanks.
This is a WAR.
This is a FORUM BATTLE. It's a fight between two forces for a single battle, read the rules. If the ability to run away meant a victory then every spite thread would be a victory for the underdog. Even if ME ran away, every time they came back they'd be decimated by the demigods time after time.
Last part is still leaning heavily towards Earth, WW2 armies have automatic guns and tanks.
You've never even seen the box art for an FF game, have you? ShinRa alone could take out WW II earth armies easily, given that they not only have advanced automatic rifles for their basic troopers, but also robot weapons, tanks, bombers, missiles, and mech like vehicles, plus advanced tech like lasers. Then to top it all off you have SOLDIER, bullet timing fighters who can chop steel girders in two and use magic from materia. Even without demigods or main characters the armies of FF VII alone would stomp.
For the love of all things good and decent educate yourself before you do something like this and end up looking silly. 🙁
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
This is a FORUM BATTLE. It's a fight between two forces for a single battle, read the rules. If the ability to run away meant a victory then every spite thread would be a victory for the underdog. Even if ME ran away, every time they came back they'd be decimated by the demigods time after time.
So in other words, strategy, supply lines, logistics and everything else that otherwise plays a HUGE role in a conflict involving entire armies doesn't matter, instead being the entirely unrealistic approach of the entire militaries of two forces fighting in a single battle despite the extremely large extent of their armies? In other words, remove all of ME's advantages in terms of a war and simply make it a single battle?
Even then, ME pwns.
You really don't know much about ME, do you? You ignored my part about ME ships being able to snipe the FF forces from across the solar system. They could simply glass the entire planet(s) without even having to land their forces.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderYou've never even seen the box art for an FF game, have you? ShinRa alone could take out WW II earth armies easily, given that they not only have advanced automatic rifles for their basic troopers, but also robot weapons, tanks, bombers, missiles, and mech like vehicles, plus advanced tech like lasers. Then to top it all off you have SOLDIER, bullet timing fighters who can chop steel girders in two and use magic from materia. Even without demigods or main characters the armies of FF VII alone would stomp.
For the love of all things good and decent educate yourself before you do something like this and end up looking silly. 🙁
I have FF12, FFTA2 and KH1/KH2 (latter are pretty inaccurate, but still provide a basic overview).
Oh, and sorry, I was thinking about the more medieval FF armies, not the futuristic ones.
For the love of all things good and decent educate yourself on Mass Effect and strategy/war/logistics.
So in other words, strategy, supply lines, logistics and everything else that otherwise plays a HUGE role in a conflict involving entire armies doesn't matter, instead being the entirely unrealistic approach of the entire militaries of two forces fighting in a single battle despite the extremely large extent of their armies? In other words, remove all of ME's advantages in terms of a war and simply make it a single battle?Even then, ME pwns.
You really don't know much about ME, do you? You ignored my part about ME ships being able to snipe the FF forces from across the solar system. They could simply glass the entire planet(s) without even having to land their forces.
So instead of quietly conceding defeat like I can tell you know you should, you ignore forum rules and the evidence to try to make the team you like win? That's sad, kid, just sad. The fact is that the demigods wouldn't do anything but laugh if hit by any of the weapons you've described, then they'd retaliate by killing the entire fleet. This debate has been over for a while, so I'll just take your childish whining as a concession.
Oh, and sorry, I was thinking about the more medieval FF armies, not the futuristic ones.
Look, I know you really, really want to make an FF spite battle, but even the medieval FF armies have magic that make WWII weapons look as dangerous cotton candy. 🙁
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
So instead of quietly conceding defeat like I can tell you know you should, you ignore forum rules and the evidence to try to make the team you like win? That's sad, kid, just sad. The fact is that the demigods wouldn't do anything but laugh if hit by any of the weapons you've described, then they'd retaliate by killing the entire fleet. This debate has been over for a while, so I'll just take your childish whining as a concession.
Please provide proof that the demigods have a range that large, and that they can destroy ME ships in a large enough scale, especially the reapers, each one which is on par with the entire citadel fleet. Also provide proof that the demigods can survive not just one, but an entire barrage of powerful nuke-like weapons.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderLook, I know you really, really want to make an FF spite battle, but even the medieval FF armies have magic that make WWII weapons look as dangerous cotton candy. 🙁
Like...?
Please give examples.