Superman vs

Originally posted by -Pr-
lulz. they were moving at hundreds, if not thousands of times the speed of light. if you're going to use scans to try and prove something, please use credible ones.

what he does > what he says.

Gee you aren't too bright are ya? Even read what the previous poster put up?

Originally posted by Placidity
Gee you aren't too bright are ya? Even read what the previous poster put up?

Originally posted by -Pr-
put it this way. if you say you're not a rapist, and then you rape someone, which is more true?

the narrator is usually > the art, yes, because it's still the writer.

ok thanks so it's how I wrote it, only wanted to had that clear once and for all

Originally posted by james2099
Flash borrowed speed from someone to hit LIGHTSPEED in an instant, Lightspeed, dont try that hundred or thousands of times the speed of light crap, and dont try to apply real life physics to a comicbook... Do you know that a storyline sometimes require for a character to be at a certain point, thus no speed is given?? Do you know what that mean?? Looks like you dont... heres a free example of STORYLINE SPEED.... Gladiator heard a beacon from many lightyears away... The next minute he was there fighting wonderman... Do you think he was flying millions of times the speed of light to get there?? Hell no.. The storyline required for him to be there to fight wonderman and masterson thor... Thus he was written to be there, but when a speed range is given on him, it was 100 times the speed of light in plain english... When a speed range was given on superman about catching something that was light fast, he admitted he could not do it... just like when flash and zoom were running and fighting at lightspeed, superman was a statue... You try to use the tired point A to point B argument and then apply real life physics which fails. DC writers have NEVER stated that superman was travling at lightspeed. All characters have storyline speed, but when the WRITERS start giving a number, superman has ALWAYS fallen short. Its like the old and tired hands moving fast is lightspeed attack crap.. Yet no numbers to back it up.. You cannot for the life of you show one, just one, ONE LITTLE SCAN STATING THAT SUPERMAN IS MOVING, FLYING OR FIGHTING AT LIGHTSPEED LIKE YOU CAN FOR FLASH, SURFER, GLADIATOR OR NOVA CAN YOU?????... NOT ONE!!

its stated on panel that they're going much faster than lightspeed. zoom at standard moves much faster than lightspeed. wally had to borrow speed to keep up with him, and they were well above light speed.

the comic backs me up.

comics don't have to spell it out for you. we're not five year olds. if you can't make logical deductions based on distance and time, then it's YOUR problem, and not anyone else's.

and the last time we went through this?

Originally posted by Raoul
Here's the panel that people love to use:

Wally's EXACT words:

"We've covered [b]EVERY INCH OF THE WORLD. I've seen dozens of my fellow heroes. But no one can help. This fight... It's only gone on for LESS THAN A SECOND."

the entire surface of the planet in LESS THAN A SECOND.

going by this:

that's 20,000 times lightspeed.

doesn't prove that superman can't go lightspeed. at all. [/B]

Originally posted by james2099
I will take that under consideration and re-think my claims. James2099 is not ashamed to admit hes wrong. 😛

Originally posted by Parmaniac
ok thanks so it's how I wrote it, only wanted to had that clear once and for all

yeah, pretty much.

Oh Wow, I was not aware of this. That's just sad. He got owned in a previous topic and even admits it, then he comes here and starts again.

Either trolling or completely retarded.

How did you get 20,000 times lightspeed? O_O

The circumference of the Earth is 24,859.82 miles. Circling it a dozen times means that they've traveled at least 298,308 miles. Being able to do that in less than a second means that they're only slightly above lightspeed or 1.6 times lightspeed (at least).

Also, I doubt that they covered every inch of the Earth. On-panel it looks like they're doing some pretty ridiculous collateral damage on their fight as they cross certain places. Unless it shows on panel that every inch of the planet shows such collateral damage, then we might want to chalk that up as character-self hyperbole.

Originally posted by Placidity
Oh Wow, I was not aware of this. That's just sad. He got owned in a previous topic and even admits it, then he comes here and starts again.

Either trolling or completely retarded.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
How did you get 20,000 times lightspeed? O_O

The circumference of the Earth is 24,859.82 miles. Circling it a dozen times means that they've traveled at least 298,308 miles. Being able to do that in less than a second means that they're only slightly above lightspeed or 1.6 times lightspeed (at least).

Also, I doubt that they covered every inch of the Earth. On-panel it looks like they're doing some pretty ridiculous collateral damage on their fight as they cross certain places. Unless it shows on panel that every inch of the planet shows such collateral damage, then we might want to chalk that up as character-self hyperbole.

Good point that panel shows them moving faster then Superman can follow which itself is pretty damn amazing feat. That puts them in a whole level above a bunch of characters in terms of speed. however since this is the Flash talking and not the narrator it is just hyperbole

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
How did you get 20,000 times lightspeed? O_O

The circumference of the Earth is 24,859.82 miles. Circling it a dozen times means that they've traveled at least 298,308 miles. Being able to do that in less than a second means that they're only slightly above lightspeed or 1.6 times lightspeed (at least).

Also, I doubt that they covered every inch of the Earth. On-panel it looks like they're doing some pretty ridiculous collateral damage on their fight as they cross certain places. Unless it shows on panel that every inch of the planet shows such collateral damage, then we might want to chalk that up as character-self hyperbole.

the 20,000 was based on the inches. we had actually come up with the figure 1.7 previously (i think it was enyalus who said it).

even if wally is exagerrating, then what? say, it was only 1000 times lightspeed (5% of the earth's surface). 1000x light speed is still well above 99.999999% of characters in comics refex wise.

Originally posted by -Pr-
the 20,000 was based on the inches. we had actually come up with the figure 1.7 previously (i think it was enyalus who said it).

even if wally is exagerrating, then what? say, it was only 1000 times lightspeed (5% of the earth's surface). 1000x light speed is still well above 99.999999% of characters in comics refex wise.

Surfer during infinity gauntlet?

Originally posted by -Pr-
the 20,000 was based on the inches. we had actually come up with the figure 1.7 previously (i think it was enyalus who said it).

even if wally is exagerrating, then what? say, it was only 1000 times lightspeed (5% of the earth's surface). 1000x light speed is still well above 99.999999% of characters in comics refex wise.

Might want to rethink those numbers. I doubt that they turned the entire planet into a debris filled wasteland by the end of the comic. 😛

I don't think it's 1000x lightspeed, really. He stated circling the Earth a dozen times. Being able to cover every inch and circling the world a dozen times seem to contradict itself. I dunno. But "covering every inch" sounds more like hyperbole to me. I think 2-5 times lightspeed is more likely the speed they're using here.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
👆 agree we don't know how fast they are moving but i haven't seen any character that has a speed feat that compares

20,000 times lightspeed? Surfer does that in his sleep. :-/

He covers light years in seconds. That's a million times lightspeed.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Surfer during infinity gauntlet?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
20,000 times lightspeed? Surfer does that in his sleep. :-/

He covers light years in seconds. That's a million times lightspeed.

he said 20,000 was something to do with inches and that they came up with 1.7 which is right next to your 1.6 😕

Originally posted by james2099
Thor and juggernaut would be the only ones waiting for him to get there. Both would be old and grey and too weak to stand.. Superman would be long dead hundreds of years ago.

Why do you say this? You never read anything on Superman going faster than light? Read Justice League of America vol.2 #30
Also read the comic where everyone is fighting Superboy Prime. Also read the comic where Lex just became president.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Surfer during infinity gauntlet?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Might want to rethink those numbers. I doubt that they turned the entire planet into a debris filled wasteland by the end of the comic. 😛

I don't think it's 1000x lightspeed, really. He stated circling the Earth a dozen times. Being able to cover every inch and circling the world a dozen times seem to contradict itself. I dunno. But "covering every inch" sounds more like hyperbole to me. I think 2-5 times lightspeed is more likely the speed they're using here.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
20,000 times lightspeed? Surfer does that in his sleep. :-/

He covers light years in seconds. That's a million times lightspeed.

i'm talking about reflex speed. Not travel speed.

Originally posted by james2099
You need to go back to school and learn something instead of shooting off your mouth kid. If it takes light a year to reach a certain point and superman has NEVER under his own power flew at light speed, how long do you think it will take him to reach that same point?? You among others have nothing but your empty beliefs that supes can travel that fast, yet the only time in DC history that a speed range was given when superman was around was when flash fought zoom... What was superman doing?.. What was mr. lightspeed superman doing??????... I will tell you what he was doing while flash and zoom were moving at lightspeed.... SUPERMAN WAS A BLASTED STATUE.... Frozen in time and could not even help flash, none of them could reach that speed.. not superman, not Wonder Woman... NO ONE. Now you do the math. You like the others can provide no proof whatsoever.. Nothing but what you think, which fails every single time... Thus you resort to insults. How childish. 🙁

What you don't understand is that Superman couldn't exceed light at a time. Nowadays he can. As he has many times.

So are you saying

that since he couldn't reach light speed at one point in time then at any other point, no matter if its more recent, that he exceed light under his own power is a lie by the writer?

Raoul is trying to say that Superman has godly reflex time