i stop reading and paying attention in the post when i read about religious study and the mention joseph smith in the same sentence. 😐
i figured god was just playing favoritism based on personalities.
kinda how ur parents tell u they love u and siblings equally but its not true.
like when ur brother needs a kidney and they expect u to give it up.
but if its u they tell doctors they are afraid to lose both kids. ❌
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i stop reading and paying attention in the post when i read about religious study and the mention joseph smith in the same sentence. 😐
Odd, because the former occurs a the first sentence and the latter occurs halfway into my post.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i figured god was just playing favoritism based on personalities.kinda how ur parents tell u they love u and siblings equally but its not true.
like when ur brother needs a kidney and they expect u to give it up.
but if its u they tell doctors they are afraid to lose both kids. ❌
We already know why and I explained it in my post (with scripture, no less)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, Mormon scripture.
You didn't read my post, then. The "Mormon" scripture was supplemental from the actual answer in my post.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Not a thing the typical christian would be throwing out as an answer. The only universal scripture you quoted was one saying Abel's sacrifice was "better" but not why.
Read my post again. It would seem that the only thing you read in my post was the "Mormon scripture" portion.
Re: Re: Why did god favor Abel?
Originally posted by dadudemon
2. Cain did not offer his sacrifice in faith. We have to turn to Hebrews 11:4 to see that:11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
I think this basically sums it up the best. Cain ends up having the typical human reaction. Cain assumes Abel had the same thought process and his jealousy springs from there, thinking it was favouritism from God towards his younger brother when it was actually his sincerity that God favored.
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Originally posted by Robtard
As a side to the Cain and Abel business, was murder a sin back then? As Moses had yet (to be born) to come down from Mt. Sinai with the Commandments, murder being one of them.
i believe it was the fact that it what fratricide that mad god all *angry man*. because obviously if you were of of abraham's children or hangin' wit god for some other reason, you had every right to kill non-hangin' wit god people. so a ] he killed a fellow jew and b ] he killed his brother.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Both are nice, but i'm looking more for the christian perspective here, as I know plenty about the historical context, and the Koran isn't really of much interest to me.
Why would Christians know? That story was taken from Torah, and they had no say in documenting it.
This is not a question for Muslims or Christians, but Jews. Try a rabbi.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Why would Christians know? That story was taken from Torah, and they had no say in documenting it.This is not a question for Muslims or Christians, but Jews. Try a rabbi.
Cain and Able is in the Christian Bible and also gets a mention in the Koran. It's a part of all three Abrahamic branches.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Cain and Able is in the Christian Bible and also gets a mention in the Koran. It's a part of all three Abrahamic branches.
The STORY gets mentioned in the Qur'an. The names of the two are never written nor mentioned.
Not that it makes any difference that it's mentioned in Bible or Qur'an, the original story is Jewish...not to say plagiarised, but borrowed.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The STORY gets mentioned in the Qur'an. The names of the two are never written nor mentioned.
Not that it makes any difference that it's mentioned in Bible or Qur'an, the original story is Jewish...not to say plagiarised, but borrowed.
Which changes exactly nothing. The story of Cain and Able is not exclusive to Judaism nor would Rabbis be the only people who know about it.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which changes exactly nothing. The story of Cain and Able is not exclusive to Judaism nor would Rabbis be the only people who know about it.
Actually, it changes everything, since you wouldn't have a clue to the names of Adam's children by reading the Qur'an, had you not read Bible or Torah. The story is re-told and therefore lacks a lot of details Torah offers on the story, especially since Qur'an is not in chronological order.
In turn, Old Testament is basically Torah, so you're reading the one the same scripture - which is Torah.
There is nothing remotely Christian about Old Testament. They're grouped in the same scripture for the convenience of 'creation of earth' and stories such as Adam and Even and Abel and Caine...and other such...
People who wrote the story would have a better idea what it actually is, than those who copied it.
If anyone would even BEGIN to pull apart story and reasons, they would go back to the original source of the story - which is Torah.
Like it or not, Torah IS the source of the story, and therefore most ''reliable'' one (if that word can even be used in religious sense).
Re: Why did god favor Abel?
Originally posted by King Kandy
I've wondered this forever and nobody of any religion has really had a satisfactory answer. In the bible, it states that Cain and Abel both sacrificed, but only Abel's were accepted, and in jealous rage Cain killed him. But why was he favored in the first place? It seems like this whole murder thing could have been avoided if God had at least made an attempt at being fair to both parties.
If you put an L befor abel..you get LABEL. IF you substitute a P for "c' in Cain you get pain. God is somewhere in between. God bless. Love was working through both Cain and abel...😉
Originally posted by King Kandy
I've wondered this forever and nobody of any religion has really had a satisfactory answer. In the bible, it states that Cain and Abel both sacrificed, but only Abel's were accepted, and in jealous rage Cain killed him. But why was he favored in the first place? It seems like this whole murder thing could have been avoided if God had at least made an attempt at being fair to both parties.
"Not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous."
I John 3:12
* it was revealed that before Cain murdered Abel, Cain's works were evil so eventhough he offered sacrifice to God, God favored Abel because Abel's works were righteous and with faith (Hebrews 11:4) whilst Cain lacked both faith and good works... and Cain just proved how evil he was when he killed his own brother... 😉
Originally posted by King KandyI've wondered this forever and nobody of any religion has really had a satisfactory answer. In the bible, it states that Cain and Abel both sacrificed, but only Abel's were accepted, and in jealous rage Cain killed him. But why was he favored in the first place? It seems like this whole murder thing could have been avoided if God had at least made an attempt at being fair to both parties.
The stories of the first act of worship recorded in human history and the first murder are recorded in Genesis chapter 4. This follows the account of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, their disobedience to God, and the entrance of sin into the human race. Death, the judgment pronounced upon them by God, soon made its entrance in the first family.
Cain and Abel, the sons of Adam and Eve, "in the course of time" brought offerings to the Lord (Genesis 4:3). Without doubt, they were doing this because God had revealed it to them. Some question, “How were Cain and Abel supposed to know what to sacrifice?” The answer is that God must have instructed them. It is clear that the offering was to be a substitutionary atonement, because we read in Hebrews 11:4, "By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did." When Abel came for worship, it was by faith that he brought his offering, the "fat portions from some of the first-born of his flock" (Genesis 4:4). The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, and it was accepted.
His brother Cain brought "some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord" (Genesis 4:3). But on Cain and his offering the Lord did not look with favor. We do not know how He expressed His rejection, but it was evident. In Jude’s epistle, verse 11, we read, "They have taken the way of Cain," referring to lawless men. This may mean that they, like Cain, disobediently devised their own ways of worship; they did not come by faith. Cain’s offering, while acceptable in his own eyes, was not acceptable to the Lord. The result was that Cain became very angry, and later, in the field, he killed his brother Abel (Genesis 4:8).
Why did Cain kill Abel? It was premeditated murder, caused by anger, jealousy, and pride. John wrote, "Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous" (1 John 3:12). The evil in his heart was further revealed when the Lord asked Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don’t know," he replied. "Am I my brother’s keeper?" (Genesis 4:9). The Lord brought a curse on Cain, and he went out from His presence.
When Jesus Christ died upon the cross, He became the substitutionary atonement for our sins. He died in our place and arose from the grave that we might have everlasting life with Him. As Abel made his sacrifice by faith, we accept Jesus’ death by faith and are made right before Him. "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." We "are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in His blood" (Romans 3:22, 24).
Source: Why did God accept Abel’s offering, but reject Cain’s offering? Why did Cain then kill Abel?