Lightsaber versus Adamantium....

Originally posted by EvilAngel
"virtually indestructible" is not a fact, it's an opinion. Of a human who is very much fallible.

"For all intents and purposes" so you think striker intended it to resist a lightsaber or... what?

Trying to argue the outcome when fictional item X claches with fictional weapon Y...... this is kind of pointless.

No, it's a fact that Styker said "virtually indestructible". This human is also well aware of super-destructive forces, when making that claim.

Again, why is it automatically assumed that a lightsabre is the ultimate weapon of destruction? This is where you're arguing from, and it's completely baseless.

Tell me, why do you think this? When all we see a lightsabre do is cut through shit that isn't indestructible or virtually indestructible.

Obviously we'll never know, but applying what we do know and logic, an outcome that is more likely than the other can he achieved.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, it's a fact that Styker said "virtually indestructible". This human is also well aware of super-destructive forces, when making that claim.

Again, why is it automatically assumed that a lightsabre is the ultimate weapon of destruction? This is where you're arguing from, and it's completely baseless.

Tell me, why do you think this? When all we see a lightsabre do is cut through shit that isn't indestructible or virtually indestructible.

It's a fact he said that, this is true.

What isn't correct is to assume that to be a fact, as aware as he may or may not be he's not in a position to know this. He is limited to his experience, which does not include lightsabers.

It's not, far from it, but a weapon that has the ability to instantly heat meats into thousands of degree's, melting blast doors in seconds.... well frankly nothing I've seen in any X-men movies suggests to me Adamantium is THAT tough. Heck they look like they nearly melted from Deadpools eye beams.

The last guy was deadpool right? I'm a little hazy on names.

Again, that statement assumes that a lightsabre is the ultimate tool of destruction. It's baseless. "He's not aware of lightsabres."

Stryker is well aware of mutant powers that make lightsabres look weak, in terms of destruction.

Those blast doors don't have a nealy indestructioble clause, now do they? As those ships get destroyed by explosives.

No, they heated up; that's all.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, that statement assumes that a lightsabre is the ultimate tool of destruction. It's baseless. "He's not aware of lightsabres."

Stryker is well aware of mutant powers that make lightsabres look weak, in terms of destruction.

No, they heated up; that's all.

Incorrect. Lightsabers do however, have very powerful concentrated power. While not destructive their effects on things they come into contact with are devestating. More so than most mutant powers.

It's not about destruction. It's about the effect it has on a select area.

Okay. That's your opinion. Unless of course you can prove it.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Incorrect. Lightsabers do however, have very powerful concentrated power. While not destructive their effects on things they come into contact with are devestating. More so than most mutant powers.

It's not about destruction. It's about the effect it has on a select area.

Okay. That's your opinion. Unless of course you can prove it.

Don't be foolish. Magneto can manipulate metal on the atomic level. Dark Phoenix can disintegrate, at the atomic level.

See above.

No, it's a fact that the Optic Blast didn't harm the adamantium, as it's clearly seen on film.

BTW, Im still waiting for something that says or shows sabres can cut through virtually anything or can cut through anything. Guess I shouldn't hold my breath.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't be foolish. Magneto can manipulate metal on the atomic level. Dark Phoenix can disintegrate, at the atomic level.

See above.

No, it's a fact that the Optic Blast didn't harm the adamantium, as it's clearly seen on film.

BTW, Im still waiting for something that says or whows sabres can cut through virtually anything or can cut through anything. Guess I shouldn't hold my breath.

Heh, fair enough. But does striker know those things? Specifically is he aware Dark Phoenix can disintegrate at the atomic level?

Obviously not that clearly. Sure, it didn't look damaged, but it didn't look like it was fine either. It looked as though it had taken a dangerous amount of warming up if you ask me.

This took me the whole of 20 seconds to find.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber

Originally posted by Wookiepedia

A lightsaber blade was a mass-less form that neither radiated heat nor expended energy until it came into contact with something solid. The power of the energy blade was so great that it could cut through almost anything, although the speed through which it cut depended on the density of the subject. One important note about lightsaber wounds is that they rarely bleed profusely, even when a limb had been severed. This is because the energy blade cauterized the wound as it passed, and thus even a severe wound did not tend to bleed heavily.

When cutting through dense material, the immense electromagnetic field generated by the arc causes resistance rather than letting solid matter enter and interrupt the arc. This gives the blade a feeling of being solid when immersed in dense material. Rarely, some solid materials can actually pass through the electromagnetic field and short out the arc. Other Electromagnetic energy fields and coherent energy are also repelled by lightsabers' arcs. These include most force fields, blaster bolts, and other lightsaber blades.

Also just above this is the quote:

"My Master taught me that a lightsaber can cut through anything."
by Exar Kun.

Does that not neutralise your statement?

did either jean or magneto ever try to disintegrate or manipulate it though and fail? actually as i remember it magneto was begging to warp his claws right before cyclops pushed logan through his defenses in the end of xmen 1.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Heh, fair enough. But does striker know those things? Specifically is he aware Dark Phoenix can disintegrate at the atomic level?

Obviously not that clearly. Sure, it didn't look damaged, but it didn't look like it was fine either. It looked as though it had taken a dangerous amount of warming up if you ask me.

This took me the whole of 20 seconds to find.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber

Also just above this is the quote:

"My Master taught me that a lightsaber can cut through anything."
by Exar Kun.

Does that not neutralise your statement?

hes asking for movie only proof... so i would say no. exar kun is a comic book character.

Oh well fudgcicles.

Meh i give, i really couldn't care less if it can burn through Adamantium or not 😊

its a good feeling to debate something without actually caring what the outcome is int it 😛

Considering X-men Origins, I would say LS>ADM

Ignoring that film, for which there are many reasons, mainly cause it was bullshit, I would say LS=ADM.

How are Optic Blasts being used as surrogates for a lightsaber in this argument?

An optic blast is like a kinetic punch. Throughout the X-Men films, if people get hit, they just go flying. When have they had serious ridiculous burns on their chest?

If you get hit with a lightsaber - it just straight up burns through you. I've never seen the optic blast capable of tearing through somebody.

Originally posted by Quincy
How are Optic Blasts being used as surrogates for a lightsaber in this argument?

An optic blast is like a kinetic punch. Throughout the X-Men films, if people get hit, they just go flying. When have they had serious ridiculous burns on their chest?

In Origins Wolverine, Cyke's optic blast had both concussive and heat components. Yea I know, it sucked 🙁

A lightsaber applying pressure on secondary adamantium should eventually, melt through. A COMPLETELY lightsaber (other than another lightsaber) resistant material has never been shown in neither the movies, books, comics or any other canon material in the Star Wars universe, which I may say includes armor capable of stopping gigaton power blasts.

We're talking about primary adamantium, the good shit.

If we're bringing in non-movie info, then 616 adamantium is basically indestructible, as Odin mustering all his god-force still only managed to slighty dent a small cylinder of it. I'm pretty sure Thor's god-magic is greater than a glow-stick.

It is susceptible to molecular rearrangement via powerful forces; ligthsabres don't do this. Edit: Fanboy-free lightsabres don't do this.

Originally posted by Robtard
We're talking about primary adamantium, the good shit.

If we're bringing in non-movie info, then 616 adamantium is basically indestructible, as Odin mustering all his god-force still only managed to slighty dent a small cylinder of it. I'm pretty sure Thor's god-magic is greater than a glow-stick.

It is susceptible to molecular rearrangement via powerful forces; ligthsabres don't do this. Edit: Fanboy-free lightsabres don't do this.

Primary no, but do we ever see primary in the movies?

Secondary a "glowstick (which can cut through armor that can withstand gigaton power blasts)" probably after a while.

Well, looking through my resources, it says that "the lightsaber can cut through anything, except another lightsaber and a few specific alloys, such as cortosis".

Since adamantium isn't in the SW Universe.......we could say that it would cut through it.

But, maybe adamantium has the properties of those alloys, so, who knows?

Some say that the lightsaber burns as hot as our Sun. Wolvie has been, literally, burned up by the sun and all that remained is his adamantium skeleton for it to regrow from scratch.

Then again, these are not on screen feats. Ha!

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Primary no, but do we ever see primary in the movies?

Secondary a "glowstick (which can cut through armor that can withstand gigaton power blasts)" probably after a while.

Wolverine has primary.

That was a joke. Point still stands, if we're bringing in non-movie paraphernalia.

Couldn't a lightsaber eventually, after countless years, possibly centuries or more, melt a block of primary adamantium? I mean, assuming that the energy supplying the lightsaber doesn't run out, of course. A lightsaber BLADE has never, to my knowledge, been literally destroyed by any force (cortosis simply temporarily disables it due to its properties) so wouldn't it just keep on burning it until eventually it makes way?

If the lightsabre can't go over adamantium's melting point, then no, it'd just make it hot.

edit: No, I don't know what the melting point for adamantium is, it might not have one, being "virtullay indestructible."