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Battlezone stipulations, Thor vs Superman

Let's iron out the stips asap batdude. We can also start looking for judges we both agree on.

I am thinking that both characters are out for the kill and not holding back. Superman and Thor aren't pulling their punches whatsoever and Superman is actually going to try and kill Thor here despite it being out of character for Superman. Both of their backs are against the wall type stuff here.

If Superman is down on the ground Thor is going to keep pounding on him and won't let up. No quarter will be given from either side. They still fight in character with the mentality to kill their opponent without holding up whatsoever.

I think the time should be open ended depending on work schedules. Now that the battlezone has it's own sub forum we needn't worry about wrapping this up in 3 days or so. When we both have finished and both agree on it we give our summations and let the judges decide.

All feats should count unless they received an outside amp such as the odinforce or a sundip/amp. They are only allowed access to their own inner powers and whatever they are capable of on their own outside external forces which I mentioned earlier. No belt of strength for Thor, obviously but anything these characters can bring to the table in a normal setting not holding back is fair game.

How do you feel about the jla/avengers crossover?

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Re: Battlezone stipulations, Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
Let's iron out the stips asap batdude. We can also start looking for judges we both agree on.
I am thinking that both characters are out for the kill and not holding back. Superman and Thor aren't pulling their punches whatsoever and Superman is actually going to try and kill Thor here despite it being out of character for Superman. Both of their backs are against the wall type stuff here.
If Superman is down on the ground Thor is going to keep pounding on him and won't let up. No quarter will be given from either side. They still fight in character with the mentality to kill their opponent without holding up whatsoever.
I think the time should be open ended depending on work schedules. Now that the battlezone has it's own sub forum we needn't worry about wrapping this up in 3 days or so. When we both have finished and both agree on it we give our summations and let the judges decide.
All feats should count unless they received an outside amp such as the odinforce or a sundip/amp. They are only allowed access to their own inner powers and whatever they are capable of on their own outside external forces which I mentioned earlier. No belt of strength for Thor, obviously but anything these characters can bring to the table in a normal setting not holding back is fair game.

Meh, in normal tourney/battle zone type matches, we've always been allowed to control the character's actions regardless of what they would normally do in this type of situation. That way, it doesn't hinder our creative abilities to form a strategy.

As long as we have the feats to back up what we're trying to sell, it shouldn't be an issue.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How do you feel about the jla/avengers crossover?

Toss it.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by batdude123
Meh, in normal tourney/battle zone type matches, we've always been allowed to control the character's actions regardless of what they would normally do in this type of situation. That way, it doesn't hinder our creative abilities to form a strategy.
As long as we have the feats to back up what we're trying to sell, it shouldn't be an issue.
Toss it.

That sounds fair, but I don't want this to turn into a powerset matchup where Superman uses his speed every time and Thor can "Durok" blast him every time he grabs him.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by quanchi112
That sounds fair, but I don't want this to turn into a powerset matchup where Superman uses his speed every time and Thor can "Durok" blast him every time he grabs him.

If they're going all-out, they're going to be doing whatever necessary to put the other guy down, anyway.

I don't see the difference.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by batdude123
If they're going all-out, they're going to be doing whatever necessary to put the other guy down, anyway.
I don't see the difference.

So this turns into a powerset debate? We can form strategies based on whatever they are capable of. If this is what you want or how it's normally done I am fine with it. I have never been interested to even peek into a tourney on here or anywhere else for that matter. In a sense then this isn't a majority type debate it's who ever's strategy is more plausible and gets the job done with the judges.

Kris Blaze Restricted

I'll judge this.

Hate Quanchi, love Thor. That oughta put me somewhere in the middle.

KK the Great Junior Member

I'll judge.

Once batdude123 predictably defeats quanchi, I will be the one to announce it.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by quanchi112
So this turns into a powerset debate? We can form strategies based on whatever they are capable of. If this is what you want or how it's normally done I am fine with it. I have never been interested to even peek into a tourney on here or anywhere else for that matter. In a sense then this isn't a majority type debate it's who ever's strategy is more plausible and gets the job done with the judges.

make sure you know what you're getting yourself into quan, batdude participated in tournaments, you didn't.

sounds like you guys are on completely different pages here

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by KK the Great
I'll judge.
Once batdude123 predictably defeats quanchi, I will be the one to announce it.

Do I know you?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
make sure you know what you're getting yourself into quan, batdude participated in tournaments, you didn't.
sounds like you guys are on completely different pages here

I am still thinking about it and what I thought this was going to turn into is completely different from what he wants to argue. One where we argue what's in character out of the regular ten out of ten type matchup and the other where we can develop strategies on how they win. That's what I always wanted to argue not do sme strategy based debate focusing on their best feats against his best feats.

That's a compromise because the manner in which batdude always intended to do this was completely different of what I had in mind. That's why feats are important in a tourney type scenario.

The reason I created this thread was so we could get on the same page. Right now we aren't and the more I thought about it while I was working out it really changes the debate entirely from what I was preparing for.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
So this turns into a powerset debate? We can form strategies based on whatever they are capable of. If this is what you want or how it's normally done I am fine with it. I have never been interested to even peek into a tourney on here or anywhere else for that matter. In a sense then this isn't a majority type debate it's who ever's strategy is more plausible and gets the job done with the judges.

batdude's no wanting a "powerset" debate, he's wanting a debate that goes by KMC's standard policies. Now if you disagree about Supes would using his speed in a standard KMC match then that's a point you can argue to the judges.

Also, I'd suggest against having the match be over when both parties are "done" as opposed to a time or post limit. Without a definate ending point for the debate you guys are going to end up going in circles.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by quanchi112
If this is what you want or how it's normally done I am fine with it.

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Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I'll judge this.
Hate Quanchi, love Thor. That oughta put me somewhere in the middle.

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Originally posted by KK the Great
I'll judge.
Once batdude123 predictably defeats quanchi, I will be the one to announce it.

You're too sweet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One where we argue what's in character out of the regular ten out of ten type matchup and the other where we can develop strategies on how they win.

Developing strategies on how these characters win is the whole point/fun of tourneys and battle zone matches. It's what separates this from a regular vs. forum thread, something which I'm not interested in doing.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by darthgoober
batdude's no wanting a "powerset" debate, he's wanting a debate that goes by KMC's standard policies. Now if you disagree about Supes would using his speed in a standard KMC match then that's a point you can argue to the judges.
Also, I'd suggest against having the match be over when both parties are "done" as opposed to a time or post limit. Without a definate ending point for the debate you guys are going to end up going in circles.

I don't disagree that he would use his speed I just disagree he would use it every single time just like Thor doesn't use his most powerful attacks every single time. In the format he is describing to my understanding we just formulate a strategy and back it up with scans and see who's strategy is more believable to the judges.

This wouldn't last a month or anything. I was thinking more like around 1 week to 2 to finish things up and then to give our summations.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by batdude123
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You're too sweet.
Developing strategies on how these characters win is the whole point/fun of tourneys and battle zone matches. It's what separates this from a regular vs. forum thread, something which I'm not interested in doing.

Would you be interested in doing both? A two pronged debate so to speak?

One the standard in character ten out of ten and the next a strategy/tourney style debate.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by quanchi112
One the standard in character ten out of ten and the next a strategy/tourney style debate.

mmm

To be honest, not really. I've done my fair share of Superman/Thor debating on the vs. forum over the past 3 and a half years I've been on KMC. Not really interested in doing that here.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by batdude123
mmm
To be honest, not really. I've done my fair share of Superman/Thor debating on the vs. forum over the past 3 and a half years I've been on KMC. Not really interested in doing that here.

Come on, that's a fair compromise. The whole reason I accepted this was because I thought that's what we were arguing for in the first place. I am completely unfamiliar with this type of debating, but am more than willing to do so. Just meet me halfway. Two sided debate. I know I am going to have to show off Thor's reflexes against the barrage of speed feats you are going to post.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by quanchi112
Come on, that's a fair compromise. The whole reason I accepted this was because I thought that's what we were arguing for in the first place. I am completely unfamiliar with this type of debating, but am more than willing to do so. Just meet me halfway. Two sided debate. I know I am going to have to show off Thor's reflexes against the barrage of speed feats you are going to post.

I'm confused here as to what your original intentions were. In your opening post, you said this...

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am thinking that both characters are out for the kill and not holding back. Superman and Thor aren't pulling their punches whatsoever and Superman is actually going to try and kill Thor here despite it being out of character for Superman. Both of their backs are against the wall type stuff here.
If Superman is down on the ground Thor is going to keep pounding on him and won't let up. No quarter will be given from either side. They still fight in character with the mentality to kill their opponent without holding up whatsoever.

Superman having the "mentality to kill" yet still fighting "in character" are two COMPLETELY contradicting ideas.

If they're trying to go for the kill and not holding back, how is it any different from what I'm proposing?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm confused here as to what your original intentions were. In your opening post, you said this...
Superman having the "mentality to kill" yet still fighting "in character" are two COMPLETELY contradicting ideas.
If they're trying to go for the kill and not holding back, how is it any different from what I'm proposing?

The only thing I was changing was Superman's mentality. He still fights in character so he will rarely use t-vo, blinding speed throughout the entire fight, etc. but will swing for the fences.

Thor will fight in character without holding back which means he will rarely use a godblast, life essence drain, but will be swinging for the fences.

The majority of the fight will be determined how these characters usually are portrayed and how they fight while not holding back.

I think two debates work perfectly as Thor and Superman have a majority type battle to see who wins the most out of 10 and then we have a strategy based debate where we show off their abilities and see who wins that way as well.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by quanchi112
The only thing I was changing was Superman's mentality. He still fights in character so he will rarely use t-vo, blinding speed throughout the entire fight, etc. but will swing for the fences.
Thor will fight in character without holding back which means he will rarely use a godblast, life essence drain, but will be swinging for the fences.
The majority of the fight will be determined how these characters usually are portrayed and how they fight while not holding back.

So they'd be "going all out," but not...

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think two debates work perfectly as Thor and Superman have a majority type battle to see who wins the most out of 10 and then we have a strategy based debate where we show off their abilities and see who wins that way as well.

Two debates are absolutely pointless.

If you're interested in the first scenario, bump the Superman/Thor thread in the vs. thread, because I'm tired of that same old jazz.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by batdude123
So they'd be "going all out," but not...
Two debates are absolutely pointless.
If you're interested in the first scenario, bump the Superman/Thor thread in the vs. thread, because I'm tired of that same old jazz.

They are but aren't going to decide the battle with their more exotic abilities and the ones they don't use as often.

Supes usually blasts hv and punches people while Thor typically deflects blasts and pounds people with his hammer.

Sigh, I'll have to look for someone else then for what I really wanted. I'll still do this tourney type debate as I am a man of my word.

Is the recent Charlotte/Psycho an example of a tourney style debate?

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by quanchi112
They are but aren't going to decide the battle with their more exotic abilities and the ones they don't use as often.
Supes usually blasts hv and punches people while Thor typically deflects blasts and pounds people with his hammer.
Sigh, I'll have to look for someone else then for what I really wanted. I'll still do this tourney type debate as I am a man of my word.
Is the recent Charlotte/Psycho an example of a tourney style debate?

I haven't read over it exactly, but yes.

Basically the whole point of a tourney style match is that we control what our characters do in a fight.