Ares VS Sabertooth

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
LOL. Tooth couldn't even beat Black Cat. He got his sh!t pushed in by Werewolf at Night.

Been a while since I've had to educate....
time to go to work.

When Creed got beat by Black Cat, he was a fresh character and hadn't even had any of his super powers really... AT ALL written into his character. He had enhanced senses, that was his only known or written power. He didn't even have a healing factor, and he was putting her on the defensive when her upgrades had her at vast superhuman levels on par with Spiderman.... AND she would have STILL lost had it not been for her luck nonsense stopping Sabretooth from biting her leg clean off....... That was Sabretooth without a backstory, without powers, and without a rep..... 😐

Werewolf by night was getting batted around by Sabretooth until he finally managed to grab ahold of Sabretooth and keep him at distance using his reach. THIS version of Sabretooth only had minimal superhuman attributes, and there's no shame in losing the WBN when he's in full werewolf mode, the same character was beating up Ghost Rider, holding his own with Wendigo, going rounds with Hulk, and running rampant on entire teams of Avengers.

You need to know that Sabretooth since those early years has come a LOOOOOOOOONG way, with upgrades given to his strength, durability, and healing factor, as well as an Adamantium skeleton comparing the most current versions of Sabretooth to his classic counterparts is like trying to argue that Bruce Banner and Hulk have the same physical attributes, it's laughable at best.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Funny how Tooth is going to beat Ares when Mikaboshi's touch did little to Ares. The same Mikaboshi that burnt and scared Achilles. Like I said, what's Tooth going to do when Ares' grabs him by both hands and starts kneeing and head butting him to death? Also wondering how Tooth would be standing if Ares knocks him on his ass and proceeds to smash a telephone pole continuously?

So Ares needs to win by plot device seeing how he can't chance a close encounter h2h with Sabes? I accept your concession that Creed's too much for Ares up close.

Sabretooth will dance around Ares like Daken and slice him to pieces.

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you go jinzin you tell that hater... dont let him get away with misrepresentation of facts and story of the character to suit his position.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you give any other class 7 MA fighter 75 ton strength and they be walking all over ppl like hulk and herc on a regular bases even taking them both at the same time.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wow, I'm sorry do you really hold yourself to this statement? I'm just making sure I'm not taking any words out of your mouth.

well turning off CIS and allowing ppl like cap to decapitate them, yes. also certain high end lvl 7 MA fighters already dance around them but dont have enough strength to damage or ko them.

their is a laundry list of ppl that could potentially kill them both with one to a few shots if they had at least 75 ton strength and durability to match on top of their already impressive attributes.

wolverine would be another lvl of beast with the lvl of strength as would others like vibe suit and added attributes non lvl 7 like the mandarin could also. so can KK or Gamora with her knifes... so many ppl US Agent and his shield...

should i go on? 📖

Well for the Hulk Wolverine was already retconned to hurt him, his claws aren't long enough to make a fatal difference with the strength upgrade. Mandarin has his rings, and many "level 7's" don't use their martial abiliites constantly anyways. They are always going to show the small guy giving a fight. I don't see a Wolverine with class 100 strength standing up to Hulk alone, and especially not Hulk and Herc. They grab his arms and legs and he's through. 😬

Originally posted by guy222
Ares has gotten a push

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You could definitely say that. In his original miniseries, I recall him getting shot in the head once (healed from it), and ko'ed for a time. Here, in New Avengers #58, Bucky-Cap draws Ares in by playing dead and shoots him several times up his throat. Ares gets stunned and immediately gets up the next panel as Bucky-Cap ran away. Although I've seen bullets penetrate his skin before, he's now clearly bullet-proof which only leads me to believe he's starting to assert that godly power:

In early Mighty Avengers lightning seemed to burn straight through his body, but he was up a few panels later. And fighting after that (saved the day no less)

Wolverine has already beaten herc without a 75 ton strength.... adding extra strength should allow logan to punch further in and even get his fist in..

logan has also nearly killed hulk in a few occasions and stopped himself proving his claws are capable of killing hulk. especially if he goes for a throat and face shot.

the few problems logan has had in the past is that he cant get enough strength or leverage to fully pierce and tear hulk's skull. he has actually gotten his claws stuck before trying this maneuver. with at least 75 ton strength he would not have the problem and could flip the hulk's brain pan open. instead of getting it stuck and hulk screaming in pain trying to pull him off..

afro2 anymore questions?

Herc isn't as exotic and has given Logan fights. Hulk was only nearly killed by plot devices and as Grey Hulk, Logan wouldn't claim any wins on the forum against him. With more strength he'd do more damage of course, but not enough to stomp him and Herc altogether. You could make a thread on it.

Logan with Cl 75 strength vs Hulk and Herc, I'm curious about that now.

^ Hercules wasn't immortal either and his strength was radically reduced in Contest pof Champions II, while Ares is immortal and apparently getting a huge push.

I'd make the thread, but I'd get blamed for Logan hate right off the bat by certain people, that or people would insinuate it's spite. I'm not interested in those things just a good discussion and pursuit of knowledge. The thing we have to keep in mind is that these characters have high showings. We can't go by Logan's high showings against them, and ignore their history. In crossover matches they are going to look "even" by plot device or otherwise.

^ How is Hercules getting depowered by Zeus as punishment a plot device? It's a valid reason that provides relevant context.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ How is Hercules getting depowered by Zeus as punishment a plot device? It's a valid reason that provides relevant context.

But really a plot device is really anything that is used to advance the plot, it need not be PIS. It is just there to enhance the story which is what comics are in the end, a graphic story.

Also I meant any character in general and not just Hercules btw, that would be anybody from Hulk to Daredevil for either combatant. Crossovers are always going to have the combatants look relatively well matched, whether one character is "tired" or "mind controlled" or whatever.