??? Are you implying that Cap has as much hitting power as Hulk????
Jango was a very skilled h2h combatant possibly on par with Cap, had advanced armor, had a jetpack, had blasters, was a very skilled shooter, had support from Slave 1, a ship whose shots could produce the firepower of millions of watts and Obi Wan wasn't trying to kill/severely harm him, just capture him.
Originally posted by Blinky
First question:Did you read ANY of my posts?
I responded to many of them, so obviously I did.
I didn't respond DIRECTLY to your post about them not Force choking Rancor/etc somehow being proof that the Force choke doesn't work on everybody (you're RIGHT, next to nothing works on EVERYBODY...) because JEDI DON'T USE FORCE CHOKE!!! That's why, even if they could (which is entirely reasonable) they don't use it because it is considered to be a dark side technique.
Well I'll take your word that you can read.
Well, I never stated that ULT CAP & Wolvie would win for sure, you claim the Jedis would win you even told exactly how they’d win in your mind.
I called the fight an one-shot battle in favor of the Marvel Characters. I said "IF" Wolvie and Cap hit Obi/Ani, it's over. I still believe this. What do you have to counter this? The only thing you can claim is:
1)Jedi bodies are more durable than Adamantium, so Wolvie’s Claws could not kill/injure them.
2) Obi/Ani can take blows from Ultimate Hulk and not die/get KO'ed.
Do you believe that 1 & 2 are true? Coz if so-- you got real problems, pal.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I responded to many of them, so obviously I did.I didn't respond DIRECTLY to your post about them not Force choking Rancor/etc somehow being proof that the Force choke doesn't work on everybody (you're RIGHT, next to nothing works on EVERYBODY...) because JEDI DON'T USE FORCE CHOKE!!! That's why, even if they could (which is entirely reasonable) they don't use it because it is considered to be a dark side technique.
Originally posted by Blinky
Well I'll take your word that you can read.Well, I never stated that ULT CAP & Wolvie would win for sure, you claim the Jedis would win you even told exactly how they’d win in your mind.
I called the fight an one-shot battle in favor of the Marvel Characters. I said "IF" Wolvie and Cap hit Obi/Ani, it's over. I still believe this. What do you have to counter this? The only thing you can claim is:
1)Jedi bodies are more durable than Adamantium, so Wolvie’s Claws could not kill/injure them.
2) Obi/Ani can take blows from Ultimate Hulk and not die/get KO'ed.
Do you believe that 1 & 2 are true? Coz if so-- you got real problems, pal.
They why do-fan boys bring up Jedis using force choke at all? I'm glad we agree that they won't/can't use force choke.
1. Of course not, but Cap's body isn't more durable than armor that lightsabers have cut through (and this armor can withstand GIGATON power explosions), so Obi Wan/Anakin could just as easily one shot Cap if they hit him.
2. Why do you keep on bringing this up? This implies that Cap has as much hitting power as Hulk, which is ridiculous.
I am not a Star Wars fanboy, I didn't even say that the Jedi win. This is my opinion:
Either Jedi could beat Captain America.
Either Jedi could "beat" Wolverine, but Wolverine could simply heal back.
The question is how advanced in Wolvie's healing? Can he regenerate from being chopped up?
If yes, then Wolverine wins after a LONG time.
If no, then Jedi win this.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Of course not, but Cap's body isn't more durable than armor that lightsabers have cut through (and this armor can withstand GIGATON power explosions), so Obi Wan/Anakin could just as easily one shot Cap if they hit him.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
2. Why do you keep on bringing this up? This implies that Cap has as much hitting power as Hulk, which is ridiculous.
Yeah it is. But that is the way Marvel wrote the Ultimate Universe.
But don't take my word for it: Check out Ultimate Cap's OFFICIAL Stats.
http://marvel.com/universe/Captain_America_(Ultimate)
Maxed out abilities across the board.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The question is how advanced in Wolvie's healing? Can he regenerate from being chopped up?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. A lightsaber, as I have stated numerous times, can cut through armor that can withstand GIGATON power explosions.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
2. ...K, that's a tad ridiculous...how is his intelligence at max???.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
3. Well, maybe not the spine, but the flesh they could chop up, could he regenerate from that?
If you havent seen the movie:
http://www.tu.tv/videos/hulk-vs-wolverine-cartoon-2009-part-1
http://www.tu.tv/videos/hulk-vs-wolverine-cartoon-2009-part-2
http://www.tu.tv/videos/hulk-vs-wolverine-cartoon-2009-part-3
http://www.tu.tv/videos/hulk-vs-wolverine-cartoon-2009-part-4
I was amazed at how bad-ass they made Wolvie in this movie.
Originally posted by Rogue JediAn uncommon and dangerous tactic among Jedi. Luke is the only lightside force user to display this in the movies when he chokes Jabba's guards in RotJ. Even then, it wasn't in combat. Anakin only displays this on Padme after he has fallen to the darkside in RotS. Doubt they'll even consider using this.
Dare I mention Force choke?
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallYes, it would. He's cut straight through a truck throwing it. He sliced Kleizer's arm off with it. Not to mention just by force of it ricocheting off things it was left stuck in a concrete wall half-way. Just because Cap throws it and it knocks people on there asses doesn't mean he can't throw it looking for the kill. That said, it would have to hit the Jedi. Cap connecting the Jedi with a shield throw is highly unlikely IMO.
Wrong, a shield to the face, even one made out of Vibranium, wouldn't one shot Anakin/Obi Wan.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallOf course not, but he was able to take some of Hulk's blows and dish some of his own out that Hulk seemed effected by for short period of time. That speaks wonders about his strength.
??? Are you implying that Cap has as much hitting power as Hulk????
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallJango is nowhere near Cap in terms of a combat. He has range, sure, but it's limited. He's has two blasters which isn't a problem for RotS Kenobi, who at this time has mastered Soresu, and a rocket launcher which is pretty cheap if you ask me. Once you get past that Cap is a much more dangerous opponent. Cap would slaughter Jango and so would RotS Kenobi if he were going for the kill this time around.
Jango was a very skilled h2h combatant possibly on par with Cap, had advanced armor, had a jetpack, had blasters, was a very skilled shooter, had support from Slave 1, a ship whose shots could produce the firepower of millions of watts and Obi Wan wasn't trying to kill/severely harm him, just capture him.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
An uncommon and dangerous tactic among Jedi. Luke is the only lightside force user to display this in the movies when he chokes Jabba's guards in RotJ. Even then, it wasn't in combat. Anakin only displays this on Padme after he has fallen to the darkside in RotS. Doubt they'll even consider using this.Yes, it would. He's cut straight through a truck throwing it. He sliced Kleizer's arm off with it. Not to mention just by force of it ricocheting off things it was left stuck in a concrete wall half-way. Just because Cap throws it and it knocks people on there asses doesn't mean he can't throw it looking for the kill. That said, it would have to hit the Jedi. Cap connecting the Jedi with a shield throw is highly unlikely IMO.
Of course not, but he was able to take some of Hulk's blows and dish some of his own out that Hulk seemed effected by for short period of time. That speaks wonders about his strength.
Jango is nowhere near Cap in terms of a combat. He has range, sure, but it's limited. He's has two blasters which isn't a problem for RotS Kenobi, who at this time has mastered Soresu, and a rocket launcher which is pretty cheap if you ask me. Once you get past that Cap is a much more dangerous opponent. Cap would slaughter Jango and so would RotS Kenobi if he were going for the kill this time around.
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OK then, I withdraw my point...
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I'd say that Cap would beat Jango in a fistfight quite easily, but I doubt how well he'd do in AOTC Kenobi's (who, as you know, wasn't as powerful as his ROTS incarnation) place, especially with the Slave 1 ship firing on him.
Originally posted by Rogue JediI already covered this in my last post.
Force choke.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I'd say that Cap would beat Jango in a fistfight quite easily, but I doubt how well he'd do in AOTC Kenobi's (who, as you know, wasn't as powerful as his ROTS incarnation) place, especially with the Slave 1 ship firing on him.
Cap would wreck all three in H2H. RotS Kenobi had trouble with Grievous. Cap would wreck Grievous.
Originally posted by Rogue JediI already covered this in my last post.
Force choke.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallCap would wreck all three in H2H. RotS Kenobi was getting thrown around by Grievous. Cap would tear Grievous apart in a H2H fight.
I'd say that Cap would beat Jango in a fistfight quite easily, but I doubt how well he'd do in AOTC Kenobi's (who, as you know, wasn't as powerful as his ROTS incarnation) place, especially with the Slave 1 ship firing on him.