Originally posted by Omega Vision
Okay so lets see here: you've failed to prove he's stronger, faster, or more skilled than Diana. Sounds like your argument is failing. Speed is not debatable here, when has Apoc tagged someone with Flash's speed? And don't say Quicksilver because you won't get anywhere with that argument.
He restrained Hulk who was above class 100 at the time but couldn't get more powerful.
Hes body and abilities are freakin enhanced by celestials. He has genious level intellect. Size advantage. Regeneration. Telekenisis. Force fields. Energy blasts. 7 to 2 without counting strenght.
P.S. look at the picture more carefuly(the one that Flash and WW were running circles around J'onn)there are like 5-4 flashes for 3 wondys. So no she didn't exactly move as fast as him.
Originally posted by carver9
LOL, she had to predict his movements in order to pull that feat.
Fighting the entire inhumans and is blitzing throughout the fight.
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Everybody during the house of m getting blitzed
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Your point being? She still can move fast enough to stop him. You or I couldn't hope to intercept Flash if we could predict his movements, not even close. Batman couldn't do it. Only Deathstroke (via PIS and his supersoldier reflexes) or someone faster can do it.
don't forget prep.
Originally posted by galactusischere
He restrained Hulk who was above class 100 at the time but couldn't get more powerful.
Hes body and abilities are freakin enhanced by celestials. He has genious level intellect. Size advantage. Regeneration. Telekenisis. Force fields. Energy blasts. 7 to 2 without counting strenght.P.S. look at the picture more carefuly(the one that Flash and WW were running circles around J'onn)there are like 5-4 flashes for 3 wondys. So no she didn't exactly move as fast as him.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Do you have any idea how fast you have to be to spar with Superman? Wonder Woman does it all the time. Not only that but Batman has stated that Wonder Woman's combat speed (punches, kicks, etc) is faster than Clark's is.
Batman, solomon grundy, kovikt, despero, titus, lobo, the general, shaggy man, the list goes on, has fought against superman and how fast does superman fight anyway?
Originally posted by -Pr-
don't forget prep.
ONLY speed and combat skills to energy blasts, force field, size alteration, shapeshifting ANY PART OF HIS BODY, telepathy(which I don't think would work), telekenisis, molecular manipulation, and regeneration.
Power Vs. Power that is greater and versatality
Originally posted by -Pr-
you're trying to create this new criteria that simply doesn't exist. wonder woman is factually far faster than quicksilver in terms of reflexes and travel speed. it's that simple.
Its not a new criteria, quicksilver just fight in a better fashion than wonder woman; his combat speed is just plain out much better than hers.
Hell, cheetah along with a thousand others tag her all the time whereas people with the same speed fight quicksilver and gets overwhelmed by him without a plot device.
Wonder woman goes fist 2 fist with her opponents whereas quicksilver blitz his opponents the entire time using fast punches, etc....
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Do you think Superman would really go all out especially in speed against people like Batman?
Not against Batman but against 90% of the people that I named, there was no reason for him not to fight like the way you think of him being able to fight.
Do you think the people that I named would be able to tag quicksilver the way that they tag Superman and Wonderwoman?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
DO you have any ****ing idea how fast Flash runs? Flash can run faster than anyone because that's what he does and his legs are cut out for it and he's got experience running (plus a connection with the speed force). Wonder Woman, with no connection to the speed force (and more accustomed to flying) manages to keep up with him. Stop trying to undermine Wonder Woman so you can make Apocalypse (who I've yet to see a solid speed feat from) look better, its not working.
Your missing the point.
Im not saying that shes not fast all im saying is that Flash's speed is definately > wondy's. Apoc has never shown any speed feats that im aware of so ok speed goes to WW along with combat skills, what about the others that I've listed.
and lets consider their strenght equal for the sake of this thread.
Originally posted by carver9
Batman, solomon grundy, kovikt, despero, titus, lobo, the general, shaggy man, the list goes on, has fought against superman and how fast does superman fight anyway?
Originally posted by carver9
Not against Batman but against 90% of the people that I named, there was no reason for him not to fight like the way you think of him being able to fight.Do you think the people that I named would be able to tag quicksilver the way that they tag Superman and Wonderwoman?
Sure they could. If I'm not mistaken Konvikt was given a free shot so that's not really a feat of tagging Superman. I'd say that there's a difference in his speed from times like when he fought Imperiex and the times he fights Grundy and stuff like that.
Originally posted by galactusischere
Your missing the point.
Im not saying that shes not fast all im saying is that Flash's speed is definately > wondy's. Apoc has never shown any speed feats that im aware of so ok speed goes to WW along with combat skills, what about the others that I've listed.
and lets consider their strenght equal for the sake of this thread.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You people are impossible.
Here's him displaying his fighting speed:
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Originally posted by Omega Vision
Your point being? She still can move fast enough to stop him. You or I couldn't hope to intercept Flash if we could predict his movements, not even close. Batman couldn't do it. Only Deathstroke (via PIS and his supersoldier reflexes) or someone faster can do it.
Did I say wonder woman was slow, no she's not but keeping up with someone and predicting there movements is totally different.
Wonder woman is a warrior and the sad thing about it is that she admitted that she's a snail compared to flash in that same comic that you're using as a feat. She states that she faster than humans but flash is on a different level.
That feat is sh**
