Well if you prefer that I do bring up counter points then all right.
Not to mention with this 1st few sentences they limit it to "empire vs federation"...Given thaat the empire run their entire galaxy compared with the federations's non war making tiny fraction of their galaxy it's a bit pointless.
About as "pointless" as any versus debates in general.
If you want to include ST's more aggressive species...the Borg and the Dominion/Jem Hadar then it's far more balanced.
And what makes the Jem Hadar so special?
We take it from there. The Borg have far greater numbers....Stated as "billions of vessels containing trillions of drones" which is just the central nexus and doesn't include borg vessels outwith that small area.
So potentiall hundreds of trillions of drones and hundreds of billions of ships. Compare that with what's known about SW. Han says that it would take a thousand stardestroyers to cause the same damage that the death star caused. Implying that the empire doesn't have a thousand star destroyers.
I can’t see how that works. Even within just the context of this sentence, all that he is doing is just giving a comparison of firepower between a deathstar and a thousand ISDs. Nothing to implicate about the actual fleet size itself.
Take the events after epVI whereby in the Thrawn trilogy, just 500 old republic cruisers of the Katana fleet would swing the balance of power in the galaxy.
Hardly surprising, especially considering that said ships were particularly powerful for its time. Hell a few ships swinging the balance of powers is something that happens often in SW. Look at the Death Star. That ONE ship(battle station is more appropriate term) was more than enough to freak out the Rebellion considering the massive threat it posed to them.
Given that each Borg cube is large and more powerful than a standard stardestroyer...Then you have an empire that is outnumbered and outgunned by huge degrees.
Outnumbered if you are only counting the lowest possible canon of 25,000. And also if you are discounting most other ships that the GE possesses.
The Jem Hadar have similar numbers and are a far more aggressive race. Artificially bred solely for war.
Clone Troopers are also bred for war.
They have personal cloaking builit into their biology. They require no sleep, no rest, no food...They can fight continuously. They can also be artificially made to fighting level in 3 days.That’s fine and all. But what feats have they demonstrated on the battlefield? And what would all this mean exactly in the face of an enemy possessing superior firepower?
ST has ablative armour technology which disapates energy based weapons rendering them useless.Definitely not a no limits fallacy as you are implying. It has limits and those limits can certainly be overcome by multi gigaton level firepower.
SW relies solely on energy based weapons. In terms of weaponry, I showed, by canon sources, how a single photon torpedo is some 20+ times more powerful than the most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated on earth...the "tsar bomba". SW vessels have nothing as powerful.
Now where is that picture….
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c1/BaseDeltaZero.jpg/200px-BaseDeltaZero.jpg
We've shown in the thread that ST ships are more manueverable at sub light speeds....We've shown they have a larger range (10 fold) than SW ships.
As per the SW:ICS(Episode 2) an acclamator Troop Transport is capable of 3500G. As per the Star Trek Technical Manual 1000G.
We've shown that while hyperdrive is faster than warp drive....transwarp is WAY faster than hyperdrive.And just about how standardized is the transwarp drive that it would be sufficiently distributed throughout the fleet to make it sufficient enough to engage with Star Wars?
So please. Do read the thread and try and counter the points made in it.
Meh. I’m good. Feel free to bring the direct quotes here though. You are after all, the one asserting the evidence so naturally the burden of proof lies on you.
Namely phased weapons,
cloaking,
In space? Useless really since by the time you even fire your weapons you are going to give away your position.
adaptation (by the Borg),
They don’t really do well when in the face of firepower magnitudes greater than their own. Or for that matter physical projectiles.
number of troops/vessels based on canon sources.
The fact that a phaser can disintegrate a person yet a standard blaster has been shown to hit main characters and cause little injury. (Leia getting shot in the arm) Face it.
Hardly representative of the norm. There is an instance in A New Hope where you see chunks of ferrocrete being blasted out of the walls by Han Solos Blaster.
ST just has a far longer period and far more material to draw on. Its EU sources are just as large as SW but it's primary canon sources are far greater. hundreds of hours of shows with which to have written and shown far superior technology.
Its got a lot of material to draw on sure. But that doesn’t mean that the volume establishes as to who is superior. I.e. There is a crapload of Star Trek material out there but this certainly doesn’t put them above the level of the Culture-verse. Or the Hyperion verse for that matter.
One piece of technology alone gives that ST armies a huge advantage...transporters.Which works against shielded objects?
So no...Your link is desperately trying to pull a win out the bag for SW by not including everything the ST galaxy has.
When its titled "Star Wars vs. Star Trek in Five Minutes" of course it won't include everything the ST galaxy has. It doesn't have everything that SW has either.
http://www.st-v-sw.net/Darkstar, the author of that particular website has shown quite a significant bias towards Star Trek. Especially in his debates with Mike Wong on Stardestroyer.net. Dismissing someone on the sole ground of bias will not fly either. If you really want to refute a person, then how about looking at the actual arguments?
