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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hence why I said Classic Odin and not Current Odin. What did you not understand?
Clearly you place import on it. Otherwise why mention it at all when it's clearly irrelevant to the thread in question, since the OP never mentioned "Silver Age Odin." Reality: there's no silver age Odin here...why are you bringing him up. Being whimsical about the "good old days" and making snide remarks of my not understanding when I bring you back to the thread in question underscores my point.
Based on? That Galactus was stated to be a danger to the Universe, and was ravaging systems and maybe even Galaxies as I recall (Not sure about the Galaxies part.). Just because his more goofy looking does not mean his weaker.
Galactus in the past 20 years has had more impressive feats and showings than silver age Galactus ever had. Much of the mystique of silver age Galactus was generated by statements and narrative text (which is exactly what you're offering). His contemporaries were Odin and Thor. Hardly impressive by today's standards of Eternities and Tyrants and Beyonders and Deaths and such. Silver age Galactus existed before much of Marvel's full cosmic hierarchy was established, much less created. His importance has especially increased vis a vis Kirby's silver age Galactus, starting with steve englehart, johny byrne, ron marz, louise simonson, and even the real Thanos himself, Jim Starlin. With greater importance comes more frequent showings. With more frequent showings comes more impressive feats (and more frequent low showings, conveniently explained away by the writers for story purposes as the hunger of Galactus) and if you were to create a thread about silver age Galactus vs. post-silver age Galactus, the resultant debate would be short and decisive: post-silver age Galactus wins in complete dominance.
He completely shrugged off everything Ego threw at him and was not showing any signs of weakening. Ego threw a blast that shattered countless planets in various directions, a blast capable of busting systems easily and Galactus was completely fine. Heck, he was bragging about his superiority (More evidence to how powerful Galactus was back in the day.). It was then when Thor attacked him when he said he had not felt such pain in eons and when he showed any sign of pain at all etc. And before the fight they focused on how Galactus was ravaging countless planets, so he had to be at least well feed if not extremely well feed before his fight with Ego.Yes he did. Galactus had to be well feed based on the original interpretation. It was a later comic that attempted to retcon that he was hungry and/or weakened, which did not make any sense whatsoever, and would not to anyone who read that arc.
Let's not get to exaggeration so hastily. First of all it was planetoids, and not "countless planets" that Ego shattered with his attacks, and second of all, no where did it say that solar systems were being consumed in the ensuing attacks. I don't know where you're getting that from (i'm talking about thor 160/161). Third of all, what Galactus states is "never before have i faced power incalculable such as ego!" Which, actually, is more evidence as to how Galactus' power levels have increased since the silver age because never again after Ego and the Sphinx did Galactus have a serious engagement with anyone below abstract or semi-abstract level, or high level mystics (meph, agammotto in their realms). Tyrant, T&A, Meph in his realm, In-Betweener, Hyperstorm, etc. are all >>>>>>>>>Ego.
Oh and Beta Ray Bill damaged Galactus and even cracked his armor in Stormbreaker as I recall.
And, since I can tell you didn't read my addressing of this matter, you will also recall that Galactus dismissed it as of no import. This after an attack by BRB used against Galactus that was stronger than a similar one BRB used to obliterate a planet in his fight with stardust in the next issue. Indeed BRB was exhausted from executing the move and this lead to his downfall as Galactus just gave him a massive thunderclap which KO'd BRB into the next issue.
Eh? It was pretty clear that he choose not to face not out of some fear, but because it wasn't right etc. as I recall. And when Thor refers to the fullness of his might he doesn't mean, the Full Odin Force from what I understand but to him being back at Classic levels and having his portion of the Odin Force recharged, as it was made quite clear Thor was weakened at the time even more so than him only having a portion of the Odin Force
Which basically means "even if I had my full strength available to help you, I still would not help you." Great. Thor doesn't think it's right, that's true. That is by no means his only opinion on the matter.
"You. Your vessel. Alone. Can you triumph?" Thor, ever the warrior, asks "Are you confident of defeating Galactus alone with yourself and just your ship?" He doesn't ask whether BRB thinks it's right, he doesn't ask BRB if he thinks it's wise....he's asking BRB if he thinks he can win. That's Thor measuring the extent of BRB's resolve and determination in fighting Galactus and winning. Why would Thor make that statement if he's not putting himself in BRB's shoes to judge whether he can win or not. Why wouldn't he just say "no BRB, this whole course of action isn't right." Clearly, Thor is in doubt of BRB's chances here. He's thinking about a fight, and BRB's chances of lasting in that fight (more on this on the next page). That is Thor's mentality.
"I ask you one final time, will you stand with me?" Thor looks down at his feet ashamed and comes up with excuses. Can't even look BRB in the eye as he lists them.
"But were I in the fullness of my might, I WOULD NOT. This is neither right nor wise"="Even if I had my full powers (and explain it away however you want to interpret that...bottom line is he wouldn't, even if he were 100%) I would not stand with you, BRB. This is neither the right course of action, nor is it the WISE course of action" why wouldn't it be wise? What possible outcome of BRB's quest would prove unwise? I.E., why is Thor indirectly telling BRB that it's a stupid idea to challenge Galactus with himself and his ship?
"I ask you, for my sake, for the memory of your people, for the lives of all those you'd save if you stay instead of chasing shadows--do not do this!"="I implore you, for the sake of your people, whom Galactus erased from existence, of whom you are the sole remaining survivor in the entire universe, for the sake of all the people you would save if you remain alive instead of seeking probable death, and consequently condemn those people to their own deaths if you are not around to save them, do not do this!"
BRB gets exasperated with Thor and just flies off while giving his reply ("and for all their sakes, I must"😉. Thor doesn't chase after him, even after giving that impassioned plea.
Of course, current Skyfathers are below Cosmic Entities. Never argued otherwise.
I'm glad we are in agreement. Galactus>>>>Odin>>>>>Thor.
