@Xplosive.....
yep, it definitely says power.
also, tiamut says the fulcrum is all knowing and all powerful, and then says the Fulcrum is the essence of what holds reality in it's place. I'm pretty sure celestials (especially the most powerful one, and yes he is the most powerful one being as the Fulcrum says so and he is the one who the celestials follow so i'd imagine he'd know) would know who is the most powerful and all knowing being. I don't think they'd go around saying he is what hold reality in place and all that other jazz if he were just some other normal super being. Soooo yea....assuming something different that what is stated in the comic is crazy. I don't know why you all keep doing it. That's what they writers put in the comics. The editors approved, and all that. Soooo take it as it was written. Quit trying to read more or less into it. Just read what it says and there you go.
Well, that doesn't mean much. Many beings have been referred to as being all-knowing and all-powerful. Watchers have been called all-knowing. In Quasar, Epoch referred to herself as being "omnipotent". Atlez and Atleza are also said to hold reality in its place.
These titles mean nothing unless you're trying to imply something.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Well, that doesn't mean much. Many beings have been referred to as being all-knowing and all-powerful. Watchers have been called all-knowing. In Quasar, Epoch referred to herself as being "omnipotent". Atlez and Atleza are also said to hold reality in its place.These titles mean nothing unless you're trying to imply something.
when you're one of the hands down most powerful beings in the marvel continuity and you say another being is omnipotent I think that counts for more than when some super human being calls a watcher all knowing. And the watchers do pretty much know all that has happened in the past and is presently happening. So in that respect they are. But the Celestials exist on multiple dimension at one time and multiple planes of existence. And everyone considers them to be one of the most powerful races in the marvel-verse. It's like an ant saying a spider is the most powerful being....to the ant thats true. To a human not so much. You have to factor in who's making the statement. In this case you have the greatest, most powerful celestial saying the fulcrum is the most powerful. You also have the Horde saying they just do what the fulcrum tells them, and the watcher talking about how the fulcrum is super powerful. All high level cosmic beings talking about how bad ass and powerful this one guy is. I mean he's also chilling in what is like purgatory or w/e that place is for eternals, sending them either on to heaven or wherever, or back to earth. Pretty good amount of evidence to put him at TOAA level.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
@Xplosive.....yep, it definitely says power.
also, tiamut says the fulcrum is all knowing and all powerful, and then says the Fulcrum is the essence of what holds reality in it's place. I'm pretty sure celestials (especially the most powerful one, and yes he is the most powerful one being as the Fulcrum says so and he is the one who the celestials follow so i'd imagine he'd know) would know who is the most powerful and all knowing being. I don't think they'd go around saying he is what hold reality in place and all that other jazz if he were just some other normal super being. Soooo yea....assuming something different that what is stated in the comic is crazy. I don't know why you all keep doing it. That's what they writers put in the comics. The editors approved, and all that. Soooo take it as it was written. Quit trying to read more or less into it. Just read what it says and there you go.
But not power-wise. So celestial has questioned him and then suddenly Tiamut power increased and has become all-powerful, just because of questioning him?. If he has, then TOAA has granted him such power, thus no one from comic can be TOAA equal. And I think it's more meant like in authority or something like that. Not power level. And come on, do you really think that celestial can become equal to TOAA. THOTI was the ultimate power withing MU (and even the wielder of THOTI can never been equal to TOAA. He would be just another TOAA pawn) and Tiamut is not. But if Tiamut is equal power-wise (while I don't think it's the case at all, but I might be wrong), then The Fulcrum is not TOAA. Except if Tiamut will be one of TOAA incarnation from now on, which I don't think so.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
also, tiamut says the fulcrum is all knowing and all powerful, and then says the Fulcrum is the essence of what holds reality in it's place. I'm pretty sure celestials would know who is the most powerful and all knowing being.
No. Maybe he only thinks he is all-powerful and all-knowing, because he answered to him.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
I don't think they'd go around saying he is what hold reality in place and all that other jazz if he were just some other normal super being.
You are kidding?
You do know how many times is said something like that. ''He is the most powerful, the most dangerous, all realities will shatter'' and so on...''. But only few have lived up to it.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Pretty good amount of evidence to put him at TOAA level.
Tiamut is just another pawn to TOAA. TOAA has written him. What don't you understand. No one from comic is equal to TOAA.
Celestial to be all-knowing and all-powerful. Yeah right. When he does something like that, then I will agree.
Originally posted by Xplosive
He isn't.
The Fulcrum said that celestials have evolved into beings of greater power, including Tiamut, but unlike others, Tiamut has questioned him. That doesn't mean power level. Nothing is mentioned of power level, only about becoming an individual and to become his companion.The Fulcrum (assuming that The Fulcrum is truly Jack incarnation in comic verse)
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100% how I took that scan as well when I read the issue. I love guy but he's just so happy that a celestial was even implied to be the Fulcrums equal he won't let it go. I repeat a celestial has never and will never be able to do what the TOAA can do. He can delete the entire Marvel Omniverse with but a thought, all abstracts everybody done. He can recton anything he chooses to when he feels like it. None of these things can Tiamut do nor even close. He's certainly not equal to TOAA that much is for sure. The scan merely said he's different because he questioned things and something he (the fulcrum) has also done. Nothing, nada about them being equal in power.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
@Xplosive.....yep, it definitely says power.
also, tiamut says the fulcrum is all knowing and all powerful, and then says the Fulcrum is the essence of what holds reality in it's place. I'm pretty sure celestials (especially the most powerful one, and yes he is the most powerful one being as the Fulcrum says so and he is the one who the celestials follow so i'd imagine he'd know) would know who is the most powerful and all knowing being. I don't think they'd go around saying he is what hold reality in place and all that other jazz if he were just some other normal super being. Soooo yea....assuming something different that what is stated in the comic is crazy. I don't know why you all keep doing it. That's what they writers put in the comics. The editors approved, and all that. Soooo take it as it was written. Quit trying to read more or less into it. Just read what it says and there you go.
He CLEARLY said A power equal to my own. A power. The power he's referring to is the questions of things as he the fulcrum did. He was merely saying you have showed A power that is equal to my own. Nothing NOTHING about him being equal in power in general.
Originally posted by guy222
If all knows Jack Kirby, then u believeIf not, I can't change ur mind
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It could be my friend it could be. However, he only said A power. Singular. He even mentioned what that SPECIFIC power was that was equal to his own. The questioning of things which is something no other Celestial has ever done. So, I just fail to see how him saying A power means he's equal to his power overall.
Furthermore my friend, you believe Tiamut to be equal to the Fulcrum correct? You believe the Fulcrum to be Kirby correct? So, if you answer yes to both those.. Then you believe Tiamut can wish the Marvel Omniverse away with but a thought? He can defeat any and all people in the Marvel Universe at the same time with a thought. He can recton anything he choose to because after all he's TOAA. So, you believe Tiamut the celestial can do all these things?
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
when you're one of the hands down most powerful beings in the marvel continuity and you say another being is omnipotent I think that counts for more than when some super human being calls a watcher all knowing. And the watchers do pretty much know all that has happened in the past and is presently happening. So in that respect they are. But the Celestials exist on multiple dimension at one time and multiple planes of existence. And everyone considers them to be one of the most powerful races in the marvel-verse. It's like an ant saying a spider is the most powerful being....to the ant thats true. To a human not so much. You have to factor in who's making the statement. In this case you have the greatest, most powerful celestial saying the fulcrum is the most powerful. You also have the Horde saying they just do what the fulcrum tells them, and the watcher talking about how the fulcrum is super powerful. All high level cosmic beings talking about how bad ass and powerful this one guy is. I mean he's also chilling in what is like purgatory or w/e that place is for eternals, sending them either on to heaven or wherever, or back to earth. Pretty good amount of evidence to put him at TOAA level.
Tiamut when he was "just" a Celestial was NOT hands down one of the most powerful beings in Marvel continuity. Him saying the Fulcrum is omnipotent or omniscient doesn't carry any extra weight, sorry.
I'll make this easy. Do you see this scan?
The writer says the LT is all-powerful, all-knowing, he is the power of creation, he is the alpha and the omega. Now I don't know about you, but that sounds a whole heckuva lot more impressive than Tiamut and Uatu make a few vague claims about who the Fulcrum is and how powerful he is.
Is the LT the OAA? No. Is the LT OAA level or close? No.