Originally posted by xJLxKing
100 issues is enough to try and use them instead of only using the ones from 20 years ago. Not to mention, if the 100 issues aren't as good as the 20 years ago, then there is clearly something wrong.
Can't recall a single incident where this has happened. You're making things up I think.
Naturally, only an idiot would be more swayed by something because the colours are brighter.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
How about this!
You use feats from modern times such as 2000-2009 and I use the ones from 20 years ago
Don't try and compare that **** up DC calls a continuity to using older feats for characters in Marvel.
Using Pre-Crisis feats for characters such as Superman is invalid. Do I honestly need to explain to you why it is so?
Anything Post-Crisis or been re-shown is valid though.
And yes I could, use feats from 2000 to 2009 only if I had to. Of course I would only be limited to his new run, which unfortunately doesn't have a lot of feats in regards to battle and the last few issues of Volume 2, which does have some impressive enough feats, but the most impressive come from Rune King Thor, and King Thor and those are also invalid if we assume it's Classic Thor. It would be easier to use older feats, but debating for Thor while using feats in the last decade is certainly doable and even using those he would still be Top Tier, and have enough showings to show that he could beat say Superman.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusthere's a difference between using old feats vs using feats that thor has not demonstrated coming close to in 30 years
Don't try and compare that **** up DC calls a continuity to using older feats for characters in Marvel.Using Pre-Crisis feats for characters such as Superman is invalid. Do I honestly need to explain to you why it is so?
Anything Post-Crisis or been re-shown is valid though.
And yes I could, use feats from 2000 to 2009 only if I had to. Of course I would only be limited to his new run, which unfortunately doesn't have a lot of feats in regards to battle and the last few issues of Volume 2, which does have some impressive enough feats, but the most impressive come from Rune King Thor, and King Thor and those are also invalid if we assume it's Classic Thor. It would be easier to use older feats, but debating for Thor while using feats in the last decade is certainly doable and even using those he would still be able to easily be Top Tier, and have enough showings to show that he could beat say Superman.
that midgard serpent feat should never be used today because it is not representative of this era's thor's strength...kapish?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Can't recall a single incident where this has happened. You're making things up I think.Naturally, only an idiot would be more swayed by something because the colours are brighter.
It's pretty easy really. When ever it comes to Thor Vs a High herald character where feats are presented, it can easily be seen that the scans all are from 15+ years. Yet, there are almost(actually completely) none from 2000+. If they are, it is a rare occasion and usually the feats isn't too impressive, but again if You don't believe, I will prove it. I will take all the feats from Thor's Respect thread which are older and use them while you use feats from 2000+. Yes, you are right, you won't have as much, but surely you should be able to match the strength, speed, or power output.
Originally posted by Starscream M
there's a difference between using old feats vs using feats that thor has not demonstrated coming close to in 30 yearsthat midgard serpent feat should never be used today because it is not representative of this era's thor's strength...kapish?
Or because he has demonstrated unlimited strength?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
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To call one an idiot is really idiotic especially when this is my opinion. Do I called you a Thor Sucking Moron because you are defending Thor?It's pretty easy really. When ever it comes to Thor Vs a High herald character where feats are presented, it can easily be seen that the scans all are from 15+ years. Yet, there are almost(actually completely) none from 2000+. If they are, it is a rare occasion and usually the feats isn't too impressive, but again if You don't believe, I will prove it. I will take all the feats from Thor's Respect thread which are older and use them while you use feats from 2000+. Yes, you are right, you won't have as much, but surely you should be able to match the strength, speed, or power output.
Well Einstein, try this on for size.
Thor got the Odinforce around year 2001 😐
There are only 21 comics from Year 200 to the issue with Surtur and the death of Odin.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Don't try and compare that **** up DC calls a continuity to using older feats for characters in Marvel.Using Pre-Crisis feats for characters such as Superman is invalid. Do I honestly need to explain to you why it is so?
Anything Post-Crisis or been re-shown is valid though.
And yes I could, use feats from 2000 to 2009 only if I had to. Of course I would only be limited to his new run, which unfortunately doesn't have a lot of feats in regards to battle and the last few issues of Volume 2, which does have some impressive enough feats, but the most impressive come from Rune King Thor, and King Thor and those are also invalid if we assume it's Classic Thor. It would be easier to use older feats, but debating for Thor while using feats in the last decade is certainly doable and even using those he would still be Top Tier, and have enough showings to show that he could beat say Superman.
Originally posted by Kris Blazehow could thor demonstrate unlimited strength? that's absurd...that would mean thor could never be overpowered as he can increase his strength at will
Because Thor lifted it on a different occasion?Or because he has demonstrated unlimited strength?
I can't believe you're actually claiming thor has limitless strength. jeez.
Originally posted by Starscream M
there's a difference between using old feats vs using feats that thor has not demonstrated coming close to in 30 yearsthat midgard serpent feat should never be used today because it is not representative of this era's thor's strength...kapish?
You have no basis for an argument. Arguably his most impressive strength feat, being the World Engine didn't happen that long ago.
That's utterly stupid. Unless Thor tried and failed to overpower or lift the Midgard Serpent recently, proved unable to reach those standards of strength, or that feat was retconned then it absolutely IS a representative of Thor's strength today, as nothing says otherwise.
Go fight some crime while screaming, "MIRROR MASTAH = WALLY WEST" "THE JUGGANAUT > GALACTUS".
Originally posted by xJLxKing
When have I ever compared anything to DC. If I were to, it would be ridiculous. As of now, Superman has traveled with the LOSH, that makes it canon (if that's the correct term) to PC.
Same can be said for Green Lantern, their I am allowed to use PC feats for Green Lanterns (Hal). But it's rather stupid to do so.
Certainly seemed you were trying to, with the let me use 20 plus year old feat comment.
Him participating with the Legion of Superheroes in the events with have seen are cannon. It doesn't however magically make any feats he had with the Legion of Superheroes Pre-Crisis cannon. Just pointing that out.
Hence why I originally said their should be a distinction of using feats for characters when they have noticeably gotten weaker.
Originally posted by Starscream M
how could thor demonstrate unlimited strength? that's absurd...that would mean thor could never be overpowered as he can increase his strength at willI can't believe you're actually claiming thor has limitless strength. jeez.
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Oh and Thor has demonstrated strength feats and has statements, supporting the fact he has limitless or unlimited strength. Clearly that's not the case though. He has unquantifiable strength when needed to, just like say Superman does on occasions.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympussuperman does not have unquantifiable strength..he has a limit. so does thor.
facepalmOh and Thor has demonstrated strength feats and has statements, supporting the fact he has limitless or unlimited strength. Clearly that's not the case though. He has unquantifiable strength when needed to, just like say Superman does on occasions.
Because Thor lifted it on a different occasion? Or because he has demonstrated unlimited strength?
Well Einstein, try this on for size. Thor got the Odinforce around year 2001 There are only 21 comics from Year 200 to the issue with Surtur and the death of Odin.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusexcept post-crisis superman has recollected quite a few of the pre-crisis/zero hour 'adventures' he had with the LoSH.
Him participating with the Legion of Superheroes in the events with have seen are cannon. It doesn't however magically make any feats he had with the Legion of Superheroes Pre-Crisis cannon. Just pointing that out.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalmOh and Thor has demonstrated strength feats and has statements, supporting the fact he has limitless or unlimited strength. Clearly that's not the case though. He has unquantifiable strength when needed to, just like say Superman does on occasions.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Doesn't matter. You know what I mean when I say 2000. Heck you can try to use it at 1995, or whatever, but IF the Majority comes from the 70's,80's, then there is clearly something wrong.
80% of his comics are from the 70s and 80s, 80% of his feats are from the 70s and 80s. Pretty simple, nothing wrong there really.
And we're taking it down to the 80s now? lmfao. The X-men and Avengers are taking one hell of a hit then as well. Not to mention the majority of marvel cosmic simply vanishing into thin air. Damn!
When it says "CLASSIC" Thor, what does your brain think it means?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Why? don't you know basic math?`80% of his comics are from the 70s and 80s, 80% of his feats are from the 70s and 80s. Pretty simple, nothing wrong there really.
And we're taking it down to the 80s now? lmfao. The X-men and Avengers are taking one hell of a hit then as well. Not to mention the majority of marvel cosmic simply vanishing into thin air. Damn!
When it says "CLASSIC" Thor, what does your brain think it means?
None wahtsoever
So if it doesn't say Classic, you can't use his feats from 70's?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yet none of them comes from the 90's or 00'sNone wahtsoever
So if it doesn't say Classic, you can't use his feats from 70's?
If it doesn't say classic then he would have the Odinforce. Or we'd have only Thor 603 + his annual. That's two comics.
I'm also curious about how you managed to count 0 feats from the 90s. I can count a whole lot. You must not be able to count.
Originally posted by redhotrashI have changed my mind over the years on several characters, because my knowledge expanded on plenty of characters, I read loads of different types of literature fictional and non fictional, but it is always enlightening to learn more, which is more of my goal now more than ever.
I disagree with the majority here. If you have a character with a intensely dense fanbase, then yes they are going to argue to the death, and no amount of scans, logic, or common sense is going to change their mind. As we speak Im debating Lobo vs Wolverine....
However, if you take characters who's fans dont have such a vested interest, you'll see opinions change from time to time. You wont see many Super Skrull posts going over 100 pages long.
I saw that argument. It is Wolverine though. Luckily some other people weren't there and won't likely be there because a weapon x character isn't there.
Originally posted by Starscream M
superman does not have unquantifiable strength..he has a limit. so does thor.
Except the time they have both shown unquantifiable strength, or the times they have both risen to the occasion and defeated opponents or gone toe to toe with opponents that previously neither have harmed etc. or opponents their supposed piers cannot defeat. I've seen Thor temporarily, drop Kurse, the Destroyer, Mangog, hell even Odin, when pushed, when on average he can't even make any of them, even feel his attacks, even when his apparently going all out.
It really simply depends on the writer is all.