Black Panther vs. Iron Fist

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Current Iron Fist is above low mid tier as well in my opinion. Dude just one shotted a freaking Hellicarrier. Throw that in with the other crazy shit his done, and an argument for him to be above low tier can be made easily.

He's doing the kind of shit guys like Hulk should be doing.

Wolverien survived beeing incenerated on several occassions and has the ability to cut through almost anything. IF really has no more cases to be moved then Wolverine or Spiderman.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He always been able to produce 100 ton punching forces thats not something new. Does not make him above low meta.

Wolverien survived beeing incenerated on several occassions and has the ability to cut through almost anything. IF really has no more cases to be moved then Wolverine or Spiderman.

Not on this level so consistently. Even his weakness of using a lot of Chi to produce Iron Fist's is removed.

Cool. Iron Fist survived at point blank range an exploding train full of explosives that packed more packed more punch than the bomb on Hiroshima.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not on this level so consistently. Even his weakness of using a lot of Chi to produce Iron Fist's is removed.

Cool. Iron Fist survived at point blank range an exploding train full of explosives that packed more packed more punch than the bomb on Hiroshima.

And has yet to reporduce a feat closes to that. It was PIS and hyperbole, but becuase IF did it, it ok. Double standards on the forum are rediculous.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He does not consistently show this level even currently. Thats one feat. He still shows to get drained after using lots of chi, he just does not get quite as drain.

And has yet to reporduce a feat closes to that. It was PIS and hyperbole, but becuase IF did it, it ok. Double standards on the forum are rediculous.

Iron Fist has other feats besides the Hellicarrier. He just killed a 200 foot dragon, thousands of year old, while severely tired, in two hits. He has the train feat. The giant monster feat etc.

Really? When was the last time we've seen Iron Fist drained using a lot of chi? I can't recall any unfortunately. Busting out multiple Iron Fist's casually means his chi really took a dive up.

Didn't Iron Fist once nuke a city?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Iron Fist has other feats besides the Hellicarrier. He just killed a 200 foot dragon, thousands of year old, while severely tired, in two hits. He has the train feat. The giant monster feat etc.

Really? When was the last time we've seen Iron Fist drained using a lot of chi? I can't recall any unfortunately. Busting out multiple Iron Fist's casually means his chi really took a dive up.

Didn't Iron Fist once nuke a city?

He had several feats before then as well. hell he beaten dragon a several occassions.

During the tourament, during if killer ect. He does not run on unlimited power, but he clearly has far more enegery in reserve then he uses to have.

Nope, not to my knowledge. That train feat is well beyond any ability he has shown.

IF is clearly better then he was, but whats more impressive then being more powerful is the versitility he now posses. The hellicareer feats is easily one of his best, but still within his abilities to achieve given the upgrade, but the train feat is clearly not and he done nothing to suggest he should bebale to do it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He had several feats before then as well. hell he beaten dragon a several occassions.

During the tourament, during if killer ect. He does not run on unlimited power, but he clearly has far more enegery in reserve then he uses to have.

Nope, not to my knowledge. That train feat is well beyond any ability he has shown.

IF is clearly better then he was, but whats more impressive then being more powerful is the versitility he now posses. The hellicareer feats is easily one of his best, but still within his abilities to achieve given the upgrade, but the train feat is clearly not and he done nothing to suggest he should bebale to do it.

Eh? If he has other consistent high end feats then your just proving my point.

Iron Fist Killer? He was fighting him just fine, then the thing started sucking his energy. Superman would run out of energy if he was drained...

The tournament? When did that happen? Issue number and I'll check.

Etc.? When did he ran out of energy other than that instance?

When did I ever say he was running on unlimited energy reserves?

I'll look for the scan. Yea, the versatility he has is impressive. I've never seen his limits yet. I mean casually one shotting Norman's Osborn's biggest and most powerful Hellicarrier with a karate strike is seriously uber. He didn't even hit any vital engine or anything. He hit the deck and it dropped.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Eh? If he has other consistent high end feats then your just proving my point.

Iron Fist Killer? He was fighting him just fine, then the thing started sucking his energy. Superman would run out of energy if he was drained...

The tournament? When did that happen? Issue number and I'll check.

Etc.? When did he ran out of energy other than that instance?

When did I ever say he was running on unlimited energy reserves?

I'll look for the scan. Yea, the versatility he has is impressive. I've never seen his limits yet. I mean casually one shotting Norman's Osborn's biggest and most powerful Hellicarrier with a karate strike is seriously uber. He didn't even hit any vital engine or anything. He hit the deck and it dropped.

My point is he does not run on unlimited energy, it has it limits, it can be drained over used ect. He gets tired.

He go beat up and worn out several times in the arc, if he had unlimited energy that never happen.

oh I though that what you implied. Never mind then. I agree he has far more energy then before on reserve, double even.

yea he become quite versatile one thing he was lacking before. Love his new range powers. Yea that hellicarrier feat was his best feat maybe to date. I have no problem with that feat becuase it high end one and amkes senses as well as reasonable with his upgrade. Train one however I see as PIS, it well beyond even the hellicarrier feat and does not make sense with the extension of his powers and would be litterally sayiong he got thousand times more power.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really. He has the ability to and always has to increase his punching power to 100 class. Does not make him deserve to be place in a higher tier unless you want to mvoe several individuals with him.

My point is he does not run on unlimited energy, it has it limits, it can be drained over used ect. He gets tired.

He go beat up and worn out several times in the arc, if he had unlimited energy that never happen.

oh I though that what you implied. Never mind then. I agree he has far more energy then before on reserve, double even.

yea he become quite versatile one thing he was lacking before. Love his new range powers. Yea that hellicarrier feat was his best feat maybe to date. I have no problem with that feat becuase it high end one and amkes senses as well as reasonable with his upgrade. Train one however I see as PIS, it well beyond even the hellicarrier feat and does not make sense with the extension of his powers and would be litterally sayiong he got thousand times more power.

True, but his destructive force has really impressed me recently. Really like who? I honestly would have no problem moving someone like Wolverine up, but it would be easier if he had some versatility. Give him even one long range attack and it wouldn't hard.

After the upgrades I don't recall him naturally running out of chi naturally. Even in the recent issue of Immortal Weapons, when he hadn't slept or rested for days apparently, and was exhausted, immediately went to fight the 200 foot dragon, and was still busting out multiple Iron Fists. His endurance is incredible.

Why would I say he has unlimited energy? No offense but that's kind of stupid my friend. Not even Thor has unlimited energy.

True.

Meh, I could see why you would think it's plot induced stupidity. People have different levels in my opinion of acceptability. People have called the Hellicarrier feat plot induced stupidity on other boards, so again....meh....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
True, but his destructive force has really impressed me recently. Really like who? I honestly would have no problem moving someone like Wolverine up, but it would be easier if he had some versatility. Give him even one long range attack and it wouldn't hard.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
After the upgrades I don't recall him naturally running out of chi naturally. Even in the recent issue of Immortal Weapons, when he hadn't slept or rested for days apparently, and was exhausted, immediately went to fight the 200 foot dragon, and was still busting out multiple Iron Fists. His endurance is incredible.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Why would I say he has unlimited energy? No offense but that's kind of stupid my friend. Not even Thor has unlimited energy.

True.

Meh, I could see why you would think it's plot induced stupidity. People have different levels in my opinion of acceptability. People have called the Hellicarrier feat plot induced stupidity on other boards, so again....meh....

It just rediculously high, he some how blocked absord enough energy that could destroy 40,000 cities seems a little absurd. The hellicarrier feat makes more sense given his upgrade and ability that I have no problems with him having enough punching power to causes that kind of damage, just a really high end feat.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Spiderman as well, few other I have to look at the list again. True Wolverine does lack versatility which does hurt him quite a bit in standings.

He seems to get tired after fights, his endurences is deffiently much higher, but it seems like he still has only so much energy. I can't comment on that issue I havent read it. I just DL orphans issue I gotta read it was it good?

true lol, but people have said it quite a few times, I think it has to do with the vagueness in which IF explanation were his energy come from. It said he has an ocean of energy to call upon or some such which some people took to mean unlimited.

It just rediculously high, he some how blocked absord enough energy that could destroy 40,000 cities seems a little absurd. The hellicarrier feat makes more sense given his upgrade and ability that I have no problems with him having enough punching power to causes that kind of damage, just a really high end feat.

Spider-Man's higher showings can justify him to be bumped up a tier. But webs being his only ranged attacks help but not to much. Spider-Man after all of his upgrades with Stark's suit for example would be mid tier at least in my opinion. Yea

Yea it was really good. Best so far. I really liked it. Great art, and written well.

I'd have called those people stupid personally. Even Galactus doesn't have unlimited energy. Hell, the simple fact that he said ocean of energy indicates some sort of set value. Calling his energy unlimited based on that, is silly in my opinion. He has a lot of energy though don't get me wrong.

Well he did say he had an ocean of energy to call on. 😄

Cool.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Spider-Man's higher showings can justify him to be bumped up a tier. But webs being his only ranged attacks help but not to much. Spider-Man after all of his upgrades with Stark's suit for example would be mid tier at least in my opinion. Yea

Yea it was really good. Best so far. I really liked it. Great art, and written well.

I'd have called those people stupid personally. Even Galactus doesn't have unlimited energy. Hell, the simple fact that he said ocean of energy indicates some sort of set value. Calling his energy unlimited based on that, is silly in my opinion. He has a lot of energy though don't get me wrong.

Well he did say he had an ocean of energy to call on. 😄

Cool.

nice I only read the one on fat cobra gotta read the rets of them I really liked the issue.

I completely agree. He has far more energy in reserve which makes him far bigger threat then befoire.

lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer

It just rediculously high, he some how blocked absord enough energy that could destroy 40,000 cities seems a little absurd. The hellicarrier feat makes more sense given his upgrade and ability that I have no problems with him having enough punching power to causes that kind of damage, just a really high end feat.

I personally the explosion was hyperbole because The others were standing a few meters away and they were unhardmed. If it was really as massive as they said I don't think he would be able to absorb it fast enough. Although I take it as eveidence that he can absorb explosions to a degree (atleast i thought it was absorbed since the symbol was glowing)

Originally posted by jalek moye
I personally the explosion was hyperbole because The others were standing a few meters away and they were unhardmed. If it was really as massive as they said I don't think he would be able to absorb it fast enough. Although I take it as eveidence that he can absorb explosions to a degree (atleast i thought it was absorbed since the symbol was glowing)

as for this thread Iron Fist the heavy majority . He simply better in every way pretty much. However Panther suit plus his energy daggers may allow him a win or two.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He can do so many things with his webbing though, and they can be used in such versitile fashion like many shots at onces, movement, support structure, as nets ect.

nice I only read the one on fat cobra gotta read the rets of them I really liked the issue.

I completely agree. He has far more energy in reserve which makes him far bigger threat then befoire.

lol

True. It is versatile.

This issue is the best so far. Next would be the Dog Brother issue (Also really good.), then the Fat Cobra issue. The Beautiful Daughter of Tiger issue was alright. The Spider Lady issue was weird.

I think I'm gonna go re-read the Dog Brother issue before I go to bed. I really liked it.

Anyways, good night bro. I gotta go to bed. It's 2:00 am in Toronto.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
True. It is versatile.

This issue is the best so far. Next would be the Dog Brother issue (Also really good.), then the Fat Cobra issue. The Beautiful Daughter of Tiger issue was alright. The Spider Lady issue was weird.

I think I'm gonna go re-read the Dog Brother issue before I go to bed. I really liked it.

Anyways, good night bro. I gotta go to bed. It's 2:00 am in Toronto.

nice i deffiently gotta find them to dl them. I personally dont have the money to get them all so I been looking to dl them. im a poor college student lol. It hard enough paying for all the x-men , new avengers and wolverine comics, street fight and ninja turtle comics.

I read some of the lady spider it was mad wierd.

it 2 am here as wlel I am from boston. have a good one.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yea

nice i deffiently gotta find them to dl them. I personally dont have the money to get them all so I been looking to dl them. im a poor college student lol. It hard enough paying for all the x-men , new avengers and wolverine comics, street fight and ninja turtle comics.

I read some of the lady spider it was mad wierd.

it 2 am here as wlel I am from boston. have a good one.

When I need to download comics I use to use Demonoid but it's down. I use torrentleech sometimes.

If you don't have a private site use a public one. Like, rapidshare, or piratebay. It's pretty easy to find those issues. I can send you the download links if you want. I'd also recommend using CDisplay to read comics. It's the most simple yet effective if you just want to read the comics.

Anyways, later. If you want just pm or reply. I'll send you the shit tomorrow. Later.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When I need to download comics I use to use Demonoid but it's down. I use torrentleech sometimes.

If you don't have a private site use a public one. Like, rapidshare, or piratebay. It's pretty easy to find those issues. I can send you the download links if you want. I'd also recommend using CDisplay to read comics. It's the most simple yet effective if you just want to read the comics.

Anyways, later. If you want just pm or reply. I'll send you the shit tomorrow. Later.

thanks man. good night.